CJH record vs other coaches

[njvols]

There should be * next to both of Urban's records here.
Of the 5 on that list, he by far walked into the BEST situation...BOTH times.

The problem with previous coaches at FL and OSU wasn't that they couldn't recruit. They just couldn't coach or wanted out of the college game...those rosters were flooded with talent.

Still blows me away what Saban was able to do at Bama, Kiffin has done at Ole Miss, and Heupel is doing at UT considering the roster talent they had starting out.

Agree. Gotta put Kiffin on the list too. Say what you will but he’s made OM relevant from historically mediocre program…JH in same breath took us from brink of going into second decade of suck, risking same irrelevance as OM was, or Auburn is now.

This moment in time is, with all the competition, not a time you need continued regression. For a program like UF, like UT you always say they can be relevant w the right HC, but the longer you drift, the longer the climb back to consistent winning.

 

[Sudden Impact]

I recall reading much speculation that those guys left primarily because they were afraid of getting busted for taking money.

I guess a majority were does not change the fact that 33 or 34 left and CJH was handed a house on fire.

 

[Hank Bukowski]

I guess a majority were does not change the fact that 33 or 34 left and CJH was handed a house on fire.

Obviously.

 

[HalfullVol]

So, all things considered, Hype is the best.
No surprise there.

Go Vols!

 

[Rickyvol77]

It’s crazy that most people outside of Volnation don’t have neyland as a top 10 coach all time. This list right here speaks for itself how good the general was.

It’s because most casual fans are just uneducated on most topics

 

[volKano]

All of Osborne’s teams were on enough steroids to kill a horse.

 

[tennesseeduke]

In their first 93 games as a HC:


Neyland - 78-9-6
Smart - 78-15
Paterno - 78-14-1
Fulmer - 77-16
Meyer - 76-17
Carr - 72-21
Osborne - 72-19-2
Heupel - 69-24
Spurrier - 69-23-1
Hayes - 68-21-4
Saban - 67-24-2
Swinney - 67-26
Vaught - 66-22-5
Kelly - 65-28
Petrino - 64-29
Royal - 63-27-3
Dooley - 63-26-4
Kelly - 62-31
Dye - 62-30-1
Bryant - 61-27-5
Dickey - 61-28-4
Franklin - 61-32
Bowden - 60-33
Harbaugh - 60-33
Kiffin - 59-34
Sarkisian - 57-36
Tuberville - 55-38

Don’t be coming up in here with facts. Volnation can’t take that!

 

[tennesseeduke]

In their first 93 games as a HC:


Neyland - 78-9-6
Smart - 78-15
Paterno - 78-14-1
Fulmer - 77-16
Meyer - 76-17
Carr - 72-21
Osborne - 72-19-2
Heupel - 69-24
Spurrier - 69-23-1
Hayes - 68-21-4
Saban - 67-24-2
Swinney - 67-26
Vaught - 66-22-5
Kelly - 65-28
Petrino - 64-29
Royal - 63-27-3
Dooley - 63-26-4
Kelly - 62-31
Dye - 62-30-1
Bryant - 61-27-5
Dickey - 61-28-4
Franklin - 61-32
Bowden - 60-33
Harbaugh - 60-33
Kiffin - 59-34
Sarkisian - 57-36
Tuberville - 55-38

I’ve posted before that Saban away from Bama was only a good coach. Prior to LSU he sucked! I use to love hearing Spurrier call him out on it. Shingle schools!

 

[Boston Vol]

I’ve posted before that Saban away from Bama was only a good coach. Prior to LSU he sucked! I use to love hearing Spurrier call him out on it. Shingle schools!

He inherited a mediocre Michigan State program, then was hit with NCAA sanctions for violations that occurred under the previous regime. Yet, he still built them into a top-ten team and produced their first ten-win season in over thirty years before leaving for Baton Rouge. So no, he didn’t suck prior to arriving in Baton Rouge.

 

[iuvol]

First year 33 players left the program.

and several of those were starters. The program was in a mess for sure. I wouldn’t trade Heupel for any coach in America.

 

[The Original Fade]

how's it misleading?

You could pick any number besides 93 games and make it tell a different story. Coaches’ greatness or failure is determined by their careers in totality, not the first X number of games

 

[marcusluvsvols]

All of Osborne’s teams were on enough steroids to kill a horse.

To be fair...so were our VOLS in the 90s. Look at some of those teams. College and pro sports were flush with steroids in the 80s and 90s. I am sure there are guys today on anabolics and HGH too at every program thats any good.

 

[scvol98]

For a split second I thought I was living in an alternate universe, but then it made all sense.

If you are confusing Vince and Derek, my advise to you is to stop using old radiators to make your moonshine!

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

It’s crazy that most people outside of Volnation don’t have neyland as a top 10 coach all time. This list right here speaks for itself how good the general was.

I think it's just such a different era at this point that it's really incomparable. CFB pre and post integration are almost 2 different sports. There probably should be two sets of records.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

To be fair...so were our VOLS in the 90s. Look at some of those teams. College and pro sports were flush with steroids in the 80s and 90s. I am sure there are guys today on anabolics and HGH too at every program thats any good.

Nope, as is the case on every Southern football board, the home team is as pure as the wind driven snow and everyone else is biased against the home team. All the other teams are cheaters but all outsiders conspire together against the home team.

 

[knox73]

Very interesting data. Thanks.

Various thought: Of course there are circumstances that greatly influence coaching success. John Majors for example paid dearly at Tennessee his first 6/7 seasons trying to rebuild the Vols to an SEC power following the Bill Battle debacle. Bill has a nice career record on paper as a HC following Doug Dickey but his complete recruiting ineptitude destroyed Tennessee with the final collapse falling under Majors’ tenure. Battle never coached another day after leaving Knoxville at age 34 or so.

Majors had a mixed record while rebuilding Iowa State, Pitt and Tennessee but he was a master program builder. If Majors had followed Dickey, it could have been incredible success. Fulmer took Johnny’s Vol program to another level but Phil was in the trenches assisting Majors and Fulmer deserves enormous credit. Richt is underrated for his job at Georgia which was extremely impressive and hard work. Georgia’s instate talent base historically made it a far easier job than Tennessee especially after black athletes entered the picture. An easy case can be made for Josh Heupel’s surprising rebuild of Tennessee to rank as one of the best SEC coaching tenures of all time. And Josh’s best is yet to come.

Nebraska is an interesting case. Tom Osborne followed Bob Devaney who was another great coach. Will it be possible during NIL and easy transfer policies for that program to become a top national contender again?