President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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swampfoxfan said:
You're really struggling here.
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Perhaps, which is why I'm asking questions.

I said:

Orange_Crush said:
Lots of uninsured patients in military hospitals, I'm sure. It would make one an expert on the effects of uninsured patients.
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To which you replied:


swampfoxfan said:
There is no uninsured or insured patients in military hospitals. All patients receive care based on military service. Military hospitals service active and retired members.
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So, I'm trying to ascertain what, in your experience, gives you expertise in the effects of uninsured patients in public ERs--which is the subject you're arguing with a member of the public healthcare system about, having posted that you "know your way around an ER" because you were a cog in military hospitals.


I asked for clarification, and you said:


swampfoxfan said:
Yes retired members are eligible for care in VA facilities for service connected conditions, but have EARNED care in military facilities for any condition.

Uninsured is those persons without health insurance. Wet people are those who have been exposed to water. Need anymore definitions?
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Perhaps it's understandable that I am struggling, since you seem to be arguing my point for me?

So, clearly stated, you're confirming that you didn't deal with the effects of 'uninsured' patients in military hospitals, so your experience would not be analogous to public healthcare and the effects of its abuses on taxpayers?

That will help me not struggle. TIA.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Trumps complaining China isn't buying US soybeans due to tarriffs. Soybean farmers being hurt. He loves farmers. Going to take tarriff money (taxes we paid) and give it to the farmers (welfare check). So let me get this straight..country called your bluff so you try to spin it on them being bad and your fix is to create a bigger welfare state with American taxpayer dollars? Doing democrats work for them. What a buffoon.
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Trump’s tariffs are stupid.

I have no problems with retaliatory tariffs, but Trump went over the top with this.

But screw china. China has us by the balls economically and the sooner we can free ourselves from them the better off we will be.

China is helping fund Russia in their war against Ukraine along with some other European countries by purchasing Russian gas and oil.

All the chicken littles that say Russia is our greatest threat are as dumb as Trump’s tariffs. Russia can’t even conquer Ukraine while China has already conquered us economically.
 
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Wait till you find out the benefits that illegal immigrants are getting in SNFs in NC.
We give them:
1. free room
2. free medicine
3. free nursing care
4. free food
5. Close to unlimited PT/OT/ST services
6. Free transport to doctors appointments including by ambulance.
7. free equipment(including equipment such as lifts that is not available to others)
8. expensive customizable wheel chairs that is not available to others.
I am sure that there is more that I am forgetting.
 
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luthervol said:
Of course it's my opinion. Opinions matter. That's why well informed opinions are critical and opinions based on social media propaganda are ruinous.
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Emotional based opinions are not always well informed opinions.

Opinions are like buttholes. Everyone has one but some stinks worse than others.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Wait till you find out the benefits that illegal immigrants are getting in SNFs in NC.
We give them:
1. free room
2. free medicine
3. free nursing care
4. free food
5. Close to unlimited PT/OT/ST services
6. Free transport to doctors appointments including by ambulance.
7. free equipment(including equipment such as lifts that is not available to others)
8. expensive customizable wheel chairs that is not available to others.
I am sure that there is more that I am forgetting.
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MOOOOONEY said:
Emotional based opinions are not always well informed opinions.

Opinions are like buttholes. Everyone has one but some stinks worse than others.
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They only stink if you have a nose--i.e. the ability to judge each one. When you do away with the external standard of judgment, it's just an argument that you like your sphincter best. IOW, it becomes a contest in arrogance and loses any argumentative power.




That's why I keep asking @luthervol what the basis of his moral standard is, as well as the basis of his trust in his ability to properly interpret reality around himself.

His argument is that morality is defined by society, yet social morality is often wrong and needs to evolve to become "better". When push comes to shove, that "better" is no more than his opinion. Morality is a meaningless concept that just means that we should conform to his preferences.

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When asked about his trust in his ability to interpret reality around himself, I have been given no indication that he actually realizes the gravity of his predicament.

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He claims that humanity is nothing more than bald primates who are merely the result of random mutations and time--survival of the fittest, with "fittest" defined as the ones that are most adept at leaving behind their genetic material. "Fittest" cannot be defined as "rational and capable of properly interpreting reality", since random mutation and time cannot have that end in mind. And since one must use their mind, senses and rationality to judge how well their mind, senses and rationality correspond to reality, they are locked into a nihilistic question of whether or not they can actually trust that they are rational beings who correctly perceive reality around themselves.




So, Luther is painted into the corner of arguing that he is morally "right" and others are morally "wrong", based on societal definitions that he also claims can be immoral, thus we have the "moral" mandate to change.

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He claims that his opinions are the best opinions, with no reason whatsoever to believe that his opinions actually even correspond to objective reality.




It's this incredibly odd place where he is a progressive (whatever that means in this relativistic universe he's created in his mind), trying to hold us to a standard that he invented in his mind--which he contradicts at every step. He argues mere opinion as better/worse without any capability to support any standard that would make one opinion better than any other opinion, considering that, as far as he's concerned, we may or may not be mere primates. Although we could also not even exist, as he may be just some form of primordial goo that evolved to believe he's one of many apes. As far as he's concerned, the entire universe may just be a figment of his imagination.



Until he can grapple with that, he's literally just a yawn-factory selling self-contradictions. He realizes this, as evidenced by his defensive non-replies. But he won't admit it, except via the inevitable distraction replies, the most recent being "yawning" them away and retreating for a bit.
 
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It's crazy when dudes are afraid to say their allegiance is to the country and not Trump.

This is why you appoint an alcoholic, talking head instead of a person with qualifications and honor.

 
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FLVOL_79 said:
No. They dont. I've NEVER seen an email or notice blaming a political party for anything. 26 years as a fed. 100% hatch act violation.

The Trump administration is completely insane. They've also shuttered funds to a dozen inspector generals. Why? Because they provide independent oversight and avenues for whistle blowers for the government. Take a step back and look what's going on. Federal troops in American cities patrolling. Goverment oversight functions shut down. For people who hate government the Republicns are stroking each other over what looks like a total government takeover. Most of yall are no better than the loony dims. Different agenda items but still yearn for government control of your life.

"Its ok when my guys doing it"..
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Go and do your duty!

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RockyTop85 said:
I’m almost speechless. What exactly can I expect a third explanation to add to this conversation?
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You mentioned that despite access to free clinics people don’t care and abuse the ER if they don’t have insurance because they’re not going to pay either way.

You went on to proclaim that cost is then passed down to tax payers.

I replied that giving them insurance doesn’t improve but worsens the overall issue by giving the patient even less reason to care about the cost of the ER.

Not sure how in your mind this was in someway off topic or unrelated
 
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swampfoxfan said:
You're really struggling here. Yes retired members are eligible for care in VA facilities for service connected conditions, but have EARNED care in military facilities for any condition.

Uninsured is those persons without health insurance. Wet people are those who have been exposed to water. Need anymore definitions?
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The bold is not true.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Wait till you find out the benefits that illegal immigrants are getting in SNFs in NC.
We give them:
1. free room
2. free medicine
3. free nursing care
4. free food
5. Close to unlimited PT/OT/ST services
6. Free transport to doctors appointments including by ambulance.
7. free equipment(including equipment such as lifts that is not available to others)
8. expensive customizable wheel chairs that is not available to others.
I am sure that there is more that I am forgetting.
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Is that what NC expects as a standard? Something your hospital has set?
 
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Vol8188 said:
You mentioned that despite access to free clinics people don’t care and abuse the ER if they don’t have insurance because they’re not going to pay either way.

You went on to proclaim that cost is then passed down to tax payers.

I replied that giving them insurance doesn’t improve but worsens the overall issue by giving the patient even less reason to care about the cost of the ER.

Not sure how in your mind this was in someway off topic or unrelated
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Why?
 
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McDad said:
Is that what NC expects as a standard? Something your hospital has set?
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It was a government program that had contracts with certain facilities to provide care. I worked at an Atrium Healthcare facility as Rehab Director. It covered illegal immigrants and American citizens that didn’t qualify for any kind of benefits(typically young people that had messed up their bodies/minds on drugs) We were instructed by the Hospital to give them what they need.

We would treat them as much as 60-100 days compared to individuals that had insurance at 14-18 days and medicare at 20-30 days.
 
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