Israel vs Palestinians II

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NashVol11 said:
A protest that is conducted within carefully-defined parameters set by the people one is protesting against - also careful to not subject even one other person to a minor inconvenience - is not very much of a protest
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You referenced MLK earlier. From what I have read, he and his followers adhered to the rules of peaceful protest. Even suing to be granted a legal permit when a municipality illegally denied it. It was one of, if not the most, successful civil protest organizations in our history.
 
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McDad said:
You referenced MLK earlier. From what I have read, he and his followers adhered to the rules of peaceful protest. Even suing to be granted a legal permit when a municipality illegally denied it. It was one of, if not the most, successful civil protest organizations in our history.
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MLK and his associates often didn't get permits, including for most or all of the Selma to Montgomery marches. Rosa Parks famously was breaking the law. "A riot is the language of the unheard" is a direct quote from MLK
 
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NashVol11 said:
MLK and his associates often didn't get permits, including for most or all of the Selma to Montgomery marches. Rosa Parks famously was breaking the law. "A riot is the language of the unheard" is a direct quote from MLK
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That quote is an observation, not an admonition. Look at how he conducted the protests as an example.

Side notes (things I never knew until i studied him further).
He was a brilliant man. Mentally gifted. Accelerated academically.

He was ALWAYS front row, center when marching in the streets. crowds of supporters and opponents on the sidewalks. He did this despite the numerous death threats received. In essence, he was an easy target if anyone on the sidewalk wanted to assassinate him. That is courage.
 
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NashVol11 said:
A protest that is conducted within carefully-defined parameters set by the people one is protesting against - also careful to not subject even one other person to a minor inconvenience - is not very much of a protest
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You mean the Constitution and basic laws like not being allowed to hold people hostage and restrict their free movement. To take over public buildings and vandalize them.

Those defined parameters? Or do we just throw those out and allow people to do as they wish because they really want to and they think it's worth it?
 
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KB5252 said:
You mean the Constitution and basic laws like not being allowed to hold people hostage and restrict their free movement. To take over public buildings and vandalize them.

Those defined parameters? Or do we just throw those out and allow people to do as they wish because they really want to and they think it's worth it?
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Depends on if Nash likes the group protesting.
 
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McDad said:
You referenced MLK earlier. From what I have read, he and his followers adhered to the rules of peaceful protest. Even suing to be granted a legal permit when a municipality illegally denied it. It was one of, if not the most, successful civil protest organizations in our history.
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It's actually impossible to pinpoint who was successful and who wasn't. We had peaceful protests and non-peaceful protests at the same time, and people who want to fit a narrative claim their preferred method works better.
 
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JOEY’S ALL VOL !!! said:
Amazing that the dialect has gone so far off the rails as to be referencing MLK here. I mean really WTF people? Make your argument with true and recent substance or just STFU? It’s embarrassing for the board and forum.
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Dialect?
 
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rekinhavoc said:
nypost.com

Hamas signals it could reject Trump’s Gaza peace plan that only ‘serves Israel’s interests’

Hamas has indicated it could reject President Trump’s Gaza peace deal because it only “serves Israel’s interests” and ignores the Palestinian people, one of the group’…
nypost.com nypost.com

And right on cue.
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Netanyahu has been undermining the deal saying troops are not leaving, and that kind of BS. The deal is bogus. It's just meant to

- make it look like Bibi offered something reasonable,
- then he tips his hand to Hamas that it's fake so they'll reject it,
- then western media doesn't cover that,
- and then we're all left saying, "Hamas didn't take the deal, so I guess it's OK to kill more babies."

 
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JOEY’S ALL VOL !!! said:
Third obit I’ve had to write in 3 years. Spent on that brother, just spent.
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You've been shouldering a lot. Once the all the arrangements have concluded and the last minute stuff related to the estate is done, you'll experience an odd mix of relief, guilt, and sadness. Took me months to feel at peace not having to do something because that had been our life for a while.
 
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McDad said:
You've been shouldering a lot. Once the all the arrangements have concluded and the last minute stuff related to the estate is done, you'll experience an odd mix of relief, guilt, and sadness. Took me months to feel at peace not having to do something because that had been our life for a while.
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I know, but thanks for confirming. Good outlet at times this place is.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Netanyahu has been undermining the deal saying troops are not leaving, and that kind of BS. The deal is bogus. It's just meant to

- make it look like Bibi offered something reasonable,
- then he tips his hand to Hamas that it's fake so they'll reject it,
- then western media doesn't cover that,
- and then we're all left saying, "Hamas didn't take the deal, so I guess it's OK to kill more babies."

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Unsurprisingly, the poster never read the 20 point plan.
 
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McDad said:
I do not know how accomplishing number 1 is possible. An ideology, or a hatred of other people, cannot be decreed ending. It has to change culturally. Culture changes are slow. Unless there is going to be extreme policing and control, it is more political posturing that pragmatic plan.
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That's a valid observation. Some of the other points read like a sales brochure.
 
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