Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

[Vol8188]

That just seems like a big nothing burger to me. Professors on a list? Oh no!

Apparently it’s non Christian to have a list?

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Apparently it’s non Christian to have a list?

I imagine it might be entertaining to have a lib professor dressed up like a furry giving a lecture about economics.

 

[C-south]

I must break the turbulence!

If it dies, it dies

 

[Franklin Pierce]

‘It Was a Fatal Right-Wing Terrorist Incident’: AI Chatbot Giants Claim Charlie Kirk’s Killer Was Right-Wing but Say Left-Wing Violence Is ‘Exceptionally Rare’​

This is despite the documented fact that Kirk’s killer, Tyler Robinson, referred to him as a 'fascist' on an unused bullet and said he targeted the conservative commentator because 'some hate can't be negotiated out'​

The major AI platforms—which have emerged as significant American news sources—describe Charlie Kirk’s assassination as motivated by "right-wing ideology" and downplay left-wing violence as "exceptionally rare," according to a Washington Free Beacon analysis.

When asked to name a "recent assassination in the U.S. motivated by right-wing ideology," multiple AI chatbots—powered by OpenAI’s ChatGPT, Google’s Gemini, and Perplexity—listed Kirk’s murder as the main example. Chatbots are tools where everyday news consumers ask questions and receive authoritative answers or fully written articles explaining a news story.

Gemini’s chatbot made the provably false statement that the "assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk in September 2025 has been identified by some researchers as the only fatal right-wing terrorist incident in the U.S. during the first half of 2025."

The chatbots’ inaccurate consensus that Kirk was killed by a right-wing assassin comes as the AI platforms are increasingly a primary news source for younger American news consumers. Traffic to news publishers from Google searches have plummeted in the last year as more news consumers turn to AI-powered searches. Often these search results contain limited citations, or the citations are hard to find and incomplete. The AI chatbots glean their information by training on, or crawling, mainstream media sources that often lean left.

‘It Was a Fatal Right-Wing Terrorist Incident’: AI Chatbot Giants Claim Charlie Kirk’s Killer Was Right-Wing but Say Left-Wing Violence Is ‘Exceptionally Rare’

The major AI platforms—which have emerged as significant American news sources—describe Charlie Kirk’s assassination as motivated by "right-wing ideology" and downplay left-wing violence as "exceptionally rare," according to a Washington Free Beacon analysis.

freebeacon.com

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Oh for sure. It’s what Andrew said that provoked charlie to say the black pilot thing

“We’ve all been in the back of plane with turbulence but we saw the guy with the right stuff and a square jaw get in the cockpit and felt better”

meh. whatever.

 

[KB5252]

I don’t think he understood what he was trying to convey. In the follow up he says he prefers sympathy to empathy, failing to acknowledge that they are 2 different ideas already.

That's the whole point, you can't empathize with someone unless you are going through it in that same moment, even then pretending you are experiencing it the same or can understand and share the feelings of another......

Sympathize is the better term. I've thought the same since I was a young man.

 

[OHvol40]

Just whip their azzes then. Problem solved. Let me know if you need any further assistance.

Lol, anonymous threats make that tough, but thanks.

 

[OHvol40]

That's the whole point, you can't empathize with someone unless you are going through it in that same moment, even then pretending you are experiencing it the same or can understand and share the feelings of another......

Sympathize is the better term. I've thought the same since I was a young man.

There is no “better term”, they are different ideas separated by relatability. If the words had the same meaning, you might have a point, but they don’t. It’s not a difficult concept.

For instance, sympathy is feeling sorrow for the struggles of someone going through life as a single parent. Empathy is relating to that single parent because you’ve raised children of your own as a single parent. Same emotion but separated by perspective. Both are necessary because they describe different things.

 

[KB5252]

There is no “better term”, they are different ideas separated by relatability. It’s not a difficult concept.

But it's impossible to understand and share the feelings of another. We all experience and feel things differently, even the loss of a family member, those within the family experience it in different ways/severity etc.

But you can be sympathetic or sympathize with another.

 

[OHvol40]

But it's impossible to understand and share the feelings of another. We all experience and feel things differently, even the loss of a family member, those within the family experience it in different ways/severity etc.

But you can be sympathetic or sympathize with another.

Please see my edit^^^

 

[KB5252]

Please see my edit^^^

If you take the literal definition of empathy it is unrealistic, it's an impossibility that requires huge assumptions.

 

[OHvol40]

If you take the literal definition of empathy it is unrealistic, it's an impossibility that requires huge assumptions.

Are you really taking the position that empathy doesn’t exist? That’s weird, we can define it, we can describe it… and if I am using your own logic against you, then if you can’t know what another person feels, how do you know that other people can’t feel empathy (even if you can’t personally)?

 

[KB5252]

Are you really taking the position that empathy doesn’t exist? That’s weird, we can define it, we can describe it… and if I am using your own logic against you, then if you can’t know what another person feels, how do you know that other people can’t feel empathy (even if you can’t personally)?

My issue is with the wording of the definition, I understand the intent. Maybe the better definition would be to "understand and identity with" instead of "understand and share".

 

[KB5252]

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[whodeycin85]

Except if you or a family member were on the list and were being harassed. But it’s not you, so you don’t care, amirite?

So you have evidence of professors on the list getting harassed??

 

[NashVol11]

So you have evidence of professors on the list getting harassed??

All of these articles reference death threats to those professors, I'm sure there are more

Illinois professors face threats after landing on Charlie Kirk group watch list - IPM Newsroom

An online database compiled by Turning Point USA, affiliated with slain conservative activist Charlie Kirk, identifies nearly 50 Illinois college instructors it labels “radical professors.”

ipmnewsroom.org

How Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA reshaped campus free speech with the Professor Watchlist

Experts say the project laid the groundwork for subsequent attempts to limit what professors and teachers say in the classroom.

www.nbcnews.com

https://www.chronicle.com/article/charlie-kirks-watch-list-made-some-professors-lives-a-living-hell

 

[Orange_Crush]

I don’t think he understood what he was trying to convey. In the follow up he says he prefers sympathy to empathy, failing to acknowledge that they are 2 different ideas already.

Can you clarify that statement please? Are you claiming that CK failed to acknowledge that they are two different concepts? Because his entire argument hinged on them being two different concepts. It entailed the fact that he prefers sympathy, which doesn't require one to actually feel what others feel. i.e. It's better for society if people can develop a softness for others' struggles whether they have been in their shoes or not.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Apparently it’s non Christian to have a list?

Only Satan has a list.



And Santa. Hmm..I see something fishy..

 

[FLVOL_79]

I don’t think he understood what he was trying to convey. In the follow up he says he prefers sympathy to empathy, failing to acknowledge that they are 2 different ideas already.

Sympathy and empathy are both signs of weakness and human frailty.

 

[McDad]

All of these articles reference death threats to those professors, I'm sure there are more

Illinois professors face threats after landing on Charlie Kirk group watch list - IPM Newsroom

An online database compiled by Turning Point USA, affiliated with slain conservative activist Charlie Kirk, identifies nearly 50 Illinois college instructors it labels “radical professors.”

ipmnewsroom.org

How Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA reshaped campus free speech with the Professor Watchlist

Experts say the project laid the groundwork for subsequent attempts to limit what professors and teachers say in the classroom.

www.nbcnews.com

https://www.chronicle.com/article/charlie-kirks-watch-list-made-some-professors-lives-a-living-hell

I read the second article. It was from a more well known site.

2 thoughts:
1. The author didn't explicitly state the death threats were from the watchlist. I got the feeling the two mentioned first were getting threats outside of their inclusion on the list

2. One person interviewed said they [TPUSA/Conservatives] are trying to stifle free speech. I disagree. I hope the goal is to stifle undue bias in a classroom where grades are discretionary.

I have a personal bias against this dynamic. Experienced it myself. And have 3 kids in, or completed, college. Grades dependent on agreeing with the professor is more stifling to free speech than inclusion on a watch list.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Sympathy and empathy are both signs of weakness and human frailty.

Many other species display those emotions, as well. That's been confirmed with both behavioral and hormonal studies. That would certainly suggest that they are not "weak" traits, or they would likely be selected out over time. There is benefit to the survival of social networks and species in general by caring for and mourning the loss of others

 

[OHvol40]

So you have evidence of professors on the list getting harassed??

Black Professors on Turning Point’s Watch List Face Harassment On and Off Campus

Black professors open up about being on the Professor Watch List started by the organization Charlie Kirk co-founded.

capitalbnews.org

Turning Point USA's ‘Professor Watchlist’ and the like are a thorn and threat for some MSU faculty - The State News

Databases of controversial university professors worry some Michigan State faculty and provide legitimacy for the Trump administration's assault on higher education.

statenews.com

Black Professors on Turning Point’s Watch List Face Harassment On and Off Campus

As the news spread of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk’s assassination two weeks ago, a student in Professor A.D. Carson’s “Black Voice” class made sure the room door was locked. The University of Virginia professor had told them in passing that he was on the Professor Watch List, a website...

www.yahoo.com

President Crow on Turning Point USA bullying ASU faculty | Media Relations and Strategic Communications

Earlier this week, Dr. David Boyles, an instructor in the ASU English Department, was followed, harassed, pushed and injured by two men identified by Turning Point USA as their “reporter” and “cameraman.” I’d like to share with you some of my views about this matter.

newsroom.asu.edu

30 professors from Maryland schools appear on Turning Point USA watchlist » Research » Maryland Public Policy Institute

www.mdpolicy.org

 

[LouderVol]

I don’t remember ever having to provide context to quote MLK Jr, or Mother Theresa, or Nelson Mandel, etc… that’s because it wasn’t required, because their ideas and ideals were unimpeachable. So, I’ll say it again, if you’re constantly searching for context, maybe the content isn’t worth defending. Food for thought.

Also, I usually take literary recommendations from people that can distinguish then/than.

lol, all three of those are heavily white washed by the passage of history and just the acceptance of the "greater good" of their statements.

MLK Jr was a misogynist who actively kept women out of leadership roles. there is a reason his family fought the release of files on him.
Mother Theresa was very much supportive of colonization and the "white savior" idea when it came to those she helped.
Mandela's government was incredibly corrupt, and he refused to allow investigation into the many claims from citizens about the crimes of his party once they took power. he overlooked a lot of apartheid-esque actions.

there is plenty of "context" to be had around each of those if you have an open and honest examination of each of their works like we are doing with Kirk.

 

[LouderVol]

Apparently it’s non Christian to have a list?

santa just got moved to the naughty list.

 

[Orange_Crush]

lol, all three of those are heavily white washed by the passage of history and just the acceptance of the "greater good" of their statements.

MLK Jr was a misogynist who actively kept women out of leadership roles. there is a reason his family fought the release of files on him.
Mother Theresa was very much supportive of colonization and the "white savior" idea when it came to those she helped.
Mandela's government was incredibly corrupt, and he refused to allow investigation into the many claims from citizens about the crimes of his party once they took power. he overlooked a lot of apartheid-esque actions.

there is plenty of "context" to be had around each of those if you have an open and honest examination of each of their works like we are doing with Kirk.

Can I just remind the board that his issue seems to have been that he asked the question: "How much context is needed...?" and didn't like the answer:

How about enough context to properly convey the point and intent? This should be basic stuff.

Arguing with anyone that doesn't like or understand that principle becomes useless.