Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

"I don't think he's a racist, I just continue to double down that he made statements that are racist. I never said he was a racist just that he says black people can't pilot and airplane."

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Provide one example of me saying it has nothing to do with DEI? Yet you call me a liar. All you’ve done is lie and misquote me

In fact the only person that said it had nothing to do with race was you…
 
Provide one example of me saying it has nothing to do with DEI? Yet you call me a liar. All you’ve done is lie and misquote me

In fact the only person that said it had nothing to do with race was you…
You are claiming it wasn't DEI. You said it was totally about race when it was 100% DEI. You made the claim that one had to do "mental gymnastics" to belive otherwise. In the video I provided he clearly states what he meant yet you dismiss it because it doesn't fit your argument. You go on to say you don't think he's a racist just that he says black people are inferior to white people.

Good grief. I’m not arguing about DEI. Charlie himself said his comments did not reflect what he actually believes as a person. His comments were about race. What a mental gymnastics to claim other wise

Clearly you don’t watch him much. He literally said (on multiple occasions) that comment did not reflect what he believes as a person and DEI causes you took look through a racial lense. But ya clearly his comment had nothing to do with race
 
You are claiming it wasn't DEI. You said it was totally about race when it was 100% DEI. You made the claim that one had to do "mental gymnastics" to belive otherwise. In the video I provided he clearly states what he meant yet you dismiss it because it doesn't fit your argument. You go on to say you don't think he's a racist just that he says black people are inferior to white people.
I’ll pray your reading comprehension improves
 
How about enough context to properly convey the point and intent? This should be basic stuff.
Right, but it’s clearly not enough for some just to provide a quote, so what is the proper amount? Seems like it needs to be enough to exonerate the quoted, or like I said before, at least enough to provide plausible deniability of something unsavory.
 
It should be pretty cut and dried.

I don't want to live next door to an Arab man that has raped and murdered people!

"I don't want to live next door to an Arab man"

Context and the intent of the person quoting must be taken into consideration before taking it at face value. JMO.
“It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights”

“I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made up new age term that does a lot of damage.”


Do any of those quotes require more context to you? It seems to me the entire thought is conveyed, no?
 
I don’t know how to define a snippet. What constitutes an acceptable quote to you then? 2 words, 5 words, 1 sentence, 5 sentences? Define that for us

Ohvol40 - “it’s acceptable to take another human’s life to stop a school shooting and save innocent children’s lives”

Me - ohvol40 said “it’s acceptable to take another human’s life”. He is a scumbag thug.
 
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Ohvol40 - “it’s acceptable to take another human’s life to stop a school shooting and save innocent children’s lives”

Me - ohvol40 said “it’s acceptable to take another human’s life”. He is a scumbag thug.
Can you point to any instances in here where people have been doing this with CK quotes? Any at all, where there are only partial quotes that construe his true message? I’m open to listen.
 
Ohvol40 - “it’s acceptable to take another human’s life to stop a school shooting and save innocent children’s lives”

Me - ohvol40 said “it’s acceptable to take another human’s life”. He is a scumbag thug.

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“It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights”

“I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made up new age term that does a lot of damage.”


Do any of those quotes require more context to you? It seems to me the entire thought is conveyed, no?

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“It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights”

“I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made up new age term that does a lot of damage.”


Do any of those quotes require more context to you? It seems to me the entire thought is conveyed, no?

CHARLIE KIRK: Yeah, it's a great question. Thank you. So, I'm a big Second Amendment fan but I think most politicians are cowards when it comes to defending why we have a Second Amendment. This is why I would not be a good politician, or maybe I would, I don't know, because I actually speak my mind.

The Second Amendment is not about hunting. I love hunting. The Second Amendment is not even about personal defense. That is important. The Second Amendment is there, God forbid, so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government. And if that talk scares you — "wow, that's radical, Charlie, I don't know about that" — well then, you have not really read any of the literature of our Founding Fathers. Number two, you've not read any 20th-century history. You're just living in Narnia. By the way, if you're actually living in Narnia, you would be wiser than wherever you're living, because C.S. Lewis was really smart. So I don't know what alternative universe you're living in. You just don't want to face reality that governments tend to get tyrannical and that if people need an ability to protect themselves and their communities and their families.

Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving — speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services — is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.

You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.

So then, how do you reduce? Very simple. People say, oh, Charlie, how do you stop school shootings? I don't know. How did we stop shootings at baseball games? Because we have armed guards outside of baseball games. That's why. How did we stop all the shootings at airports? We have armed guards outside of airports. How do we stop all the shootings at banks? We have armed guards outside of banks. How did we stop all the shootings at gun shows? Notice there's not a lot of mass shootings at gun shows, there's all these guns. Because everyone's armed. If our money and our sporting events and our airplanes have armed guards, why don't our children?
 
Right, but it’s clearly not enough for some just to provide a quote, so what is the proper amount? Seems like it needs to be enough to exonerate the quoted, or like I said before, at least enough to provide plausible deniability of something unsavory.
If you can't figure that out, you probably shouldn't be commenting. Like I said, it's not a complicate concept.

You can add words like "exonerate" and "deniability", but it's pretty clear that the ethical thing to do seems to be merely adding enough context to clearly and honestly convey the speaker's or writer's intent.

Radical idea for some, it would appear.

If you struggle with this in other areas than just trying to demonize dead foes that can't defend themselves, then this may help. It looks like a fairly short read:

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CHARLIE KIRK: Yeah, it's a great question. Thank you. So, I'm a big Second Amendment fan but I think most politicians are cowards when it comes to defending why we have a Second Amendment. This is why I would not be a good politician, or maybe I would, I don't know, because I actually speak my mind.

The Second Amendment is not about hunting. I love hunting. The Second Amendment is not even about personal defense. That is important. The Second Amendment is there, God forbid, so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government. And if that talk scares you — "wow, that's radical, Charlie, I don't know about that" — well then, you have not really read any of the literature of our Founding Fathers. Number two, you've not read any 20th-century history. You're just living in Narnia. By the way, if you're actually living in Narnia, you would be wiser than wherever you're living, because C.S. Lewis was really smart. So I don't know what alternative universe you're living in. You just don't want to face reality that governments tend to get tyrannical and that if people need an ability to protect themselves and their communities and their families.

Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving — speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services — is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.

You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.

So then, how do you reduce? Very simple. People say, oh, Charlie, how do you stop school shootings? I don't know. How did we stop shootings at baseball games? Because we have armed guards outside of baseball games. That's why. How did we stop all the shootings at airports? We have armed guards outside of airports. How do we stop all the shootings at banks? We have armed guards outside of banks. How did we stop all the shootings at gun shows? Notice there's not a lot of mass shootings at gun shows, there's all these guns. Because everyone's armed. If our money and our sporting events and our airplanes have armed guards, why don't our children?
So it’s not an incomplete thought in the quote, you’re just providing elaboration that really doesn’t change the thought behind the quote. So, the quote stands as is.
 
If you can't figure that out, you probably shouldn't be commenting. Like I said, it's not a complicate concept.

You can add words like "exonerate" and "deniability", but it's pretty clear that the ethical thing to do seems to be merely adding enough context to clearly and honestly convey the speaker's or writer's intent.

Radical idea for some, it would appear.

If you struggle with this in other areas than just trying to demonize dead foes that can't defend themselves, then this may help. It looks like a fairly short read:

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I don’t remember ever having to provide context to quote MLK Jr, or Mother Theresa, or Nelson Mandel, etc… that’s because it wasn’t required, because their ideas and ideals were unimpeachable. So, I’ll say it again, if you’re constantly searching for context, maybe the content isn’t worth defending. Food for thought.

Also, I usually take literary recommendations from people that can distinguish then/than.
 
And my question is why does everything Charlie said require context? I don’t recall ever searching for context when quoting people worth quoting.

Coming from the guy who claims every single person in Gaza deserves to die!

Yep, every person that resided there started it. Every single one, women and children included. Send us a video of yourself dragging their bodies through the streets, getting what they deserved.
 
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