Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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OHvol40 said:
How about take responsibility for the things you say, no matter what you say before or after that. It’s not like he was using sarcasm all the time. You say it, own it, no matter the “context”. The problem is folks will search and search to try to qualify sh*tty things that people say when they are on your team.
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If the statements are sh!tty then there’s absolutely no reason to quote a snippet or edit a video.

What’s hard to understand about that?
 
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NashVol11 said:
Saying a statement (that differentiates people based on race) is racist is not "claiming someone is racist," nor is it a "form of hate" lol
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Saying “the CEO is turning down qualified white men and I’m worried it’s in favor of black men that only passed half their flight simulator” is truthful, yet I told lies and called Charlie Kirk racist. What a world we live in.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Saying “the CEO is turning down qualified white men and I’m worried it’s in favor of black men that only passed half their flight simulator” is truthful, yet I told lies and called Charlie Kirk racist. What a world we live in.
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@Smokey123

"I never said Charlie was a racist, I said he believes that black people can't do the same level of job that white people can do."


LOL, what a world we live in. 🤣
 
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OHvol40 said:
Kirk would say something bigoted for shock value and to blow the dog whistle, and then walk it back to soften the blow and give himself plausible deniability to said bigoted remark. He did this over and over, it was actually the main debate strategy he used.
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I thought his main debate strategy was to just say "prove me wrong"?

if you buy into his stated goals, he was there to generate conversation, and show that disagreeing is not the end of the world or requiring aggressive responses. so where you are hearing dog whistle, its just that YOU HEARING dog whistle, and there not actually being a dog whistle. he was there to challenge preconceived notions, especially about political conversation. I think a lot of the "dog whistling and walk back" is actually "what YOU heard, vs what the person you are talking to actually meant".

as I pointed out before, given how much content is out there from his debates I have no doubt there are some legit dog whistles, but I doubt it was actually his main debate strategy.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby drew criticism for stating that 50% of the company’s pilot training graduates would be women or people of color. The comments, made during a 2021 interview, resurfaced earlier this year and sparked debate about prioritizing DEI over safety.

A profession of over 90% white males with under 10% female, black, and other persons of color will suddenly be 50-50?

I don’t think it would have raised an eyebrow if he had said we want to encourage and recruit more women and persons of color to come to our pilot training program.
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Airline CEOs have always had a habit of overcorrecting if the plane runs off the taxiway (forgive the bad analogy)

Back when I was trying to get hired at the airlines (early 90s) If you were a white military guy with 2500 hours in heavies (C-130,C141,C5 etc) or a single seat guy with 1000 hours you couldn't sniff an interview at United. If you were a female or minority with 250 hours in a Cessna, you stood a very good chance of getting hired. The only white males I knew that got hired there was a guy that had retired from the military with 7500 hours and an F-14 guy who had been in for 15 years.
 
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CobbVol said:
There might be more than 1 video. I listened to the one in post 8885 above and it occurs around the 25 second mark.
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The Original video that caused all of this (Rumble) there is no mention of it being just new hires. The 3 peckerheads with him clearly think its 50/50 for the entire roster and Kirk even at 40 minute point wonders how they will fill the demand.

Even with that, the Aviate Academy (450-500) is still less than a quarter of the pilots United hires in a year....

8885 post was his sanitized version after original comment. Still not accurate and disingenuous.
 
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KB5252 said:
Everyone is a hypocrite my friend, even you. In part it's kinda the whole point and basis of Christianity isn't it?

You're trying to hold people to an impossible standard they themselves even admit isn't attainable. Don't you find it silly to attempt to hold someone to a standard that isn't attainable in an attempt to discredit them?
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Therein lies the hypocrisy in the leftist tactics for such discreditation. Christians themselves know we fall short, yet the left wants to hold us to the same standard as Jesus which they KNOW isn't attainable. They themselves don't even attempt it.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
And it was a quote from a partial statement. I provided you with a complete video where he explains it and you dismiss it because it doesn't fit your narrative.
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It wasn’t a partial statement. It was 2 hour episode and they spent 30 minutes talking about DEI, which is what keeps getting quoted. I already said I know what his opinion on DEI is and that I don’t like DEI either. That doesn’t change what he said. The only one dismissing stuff is you. You won’t answer questions, you don’t provide a rebuttal, you keep spreading misinformation and you throw around hatred. You’re a hypocrite
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
The Original video that caused all of this (Rumble) there is no mention of it being just new hires. The 3 peckerheads with him clearly think its 50/50 for the entire roster and Kirk even at 40 minute point wonders how they will fill the demand.

Even with that, the Aviate Academy (450-500) is still less than a quarter of the pilots United hires in a year....

8885 post was his sanitized version after original comment. Still not accurate and disingenuous.
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Im not sure why this is hard to understand. It’s been explained a dozen times
 
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OHvol40 said:
I don’t know how to define a snippet. What constitutes an acceptable quote to you then? 2 words, 5 words, 1 sentence, 5 sentences? Define that for us
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It should be pretty cut and dried.

I don't want to live next door to an Arab man that has raped and murdered people!

"I don't want to live next door to an Arab man"

Context and the intent of the person quoting must be taken into consideration before taking it at face value. JMO.
 
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Smokey123 said:
It wasn’t a partial statement. It was 2 hour episode and they spent 30 minutes talking about DEI, which is what keeps getting quoted. I already said I know what his opinion on DEI is and that I don’t like DEI either. That doesn’t change what he said. The only one dismissing stuff is you. You won’t answer questions, you don’t provide a rebuttal, you keep spreading misinformation and you throw around hatred. You’re a hypocrite
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I have provided a video of him explaining his position but it wasn't good enough for you because it didnt support your narrative. You claim you don't think he's a racist yet you said his statements portrayed that he didn't think black people could do what a white man can do. You first said it hadn't anything to do with DEI, now it appears you recognize it was always about DEI. You are a liar.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I have provided a video of him explaining his position but it wasn't good enough for you because it didnt support your narrative. You claim you don't think he's a racist yet you said his statements portrayed that he didn't think black people could do what a white man can do. You first said it hadn't anything to do with DEI, now it appears you recognize it was always about DEI. You are a liar.
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Lolz
 
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