Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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Smokey123 said:
I don’t think being prejudice is inherently bad. I think every person has a little bit in them, but it doesn’t change the fact that prejudice is in fact a form of racism. I’ll agree I think the label gets thrown around far too much but I also think people get way too defensive over it
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Prejudice can be a form of racism, prejudice isn't always based on race.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Can you provide one example of united turning away a qualified white man for a black man that met half his quotas? Thats exactly what Charlie said
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If you are hiring based solely on race you are not hiring for the right reason. If I said we were going to change the NBA to 3/4th white players, would you expect the quality of play to remain the same?

Also, it seems you now have admitted this whole conversation was centered around DEI. IS that the case now or do you think it was just Charlie being racist?
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
That’s the question I’m asking.

Why not share the full context?

Why take snippets?

Don’t mislead the public. Post the whole content and then let the public decide.
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How about take responsibility for the things you say, no matter what you say before or after that. It’s not like he was using sarcasm all the time. You say it, own it, no matter the “context”. The problem is folks will search and search to try to qualify sh*tty things that people say when they are on your team.
 
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LouderVol said:
usually Kirk's quotes come from his debates where there is at least some back and forth. knowing the question, the prompt, or the full statement would clearly be important to understanding what is said. we also have multiple examples in this thread where some of Kirks comments were clearly taken out of context.

at least in the political arena we don't get a lot of real debate or conversation between both sides, so there are limited examples where the person being quoted is actually responding to a direct prompt. so rarely is that context necessary. most politicians take any prompt and just run sideways with it to whatever point they wanted to make while barely even acknowledging the prompt. others are taken from press conferences, or some heated argument with a political foe.

regardless I find it difficult to assume much of what Kirk said should be taken as direct implications of how he thought things should be when he died. some of these are years old, and don't compare what he said then to what he said at the end. also given the format its unlikely Kirk was up their preaching, but again responding to prompts. and anyone says enough things they are eventually going to say something hypocritical, it does little to dismiss him as a whole. and these debates aren't people he really knows he probably isn't going to be able to speak directly to their situation and will stick with generalities. trying to get specific to how Kirk would handle that exact situation wouldn't make sense.

^and I still don't really care for Kirk or most of his stances.
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Kirk would say something bigoted for shock value and to blow the dog whistle, and then walk it back to soften the blow and give himself plausible deniability to said bigoted remark. He did this over and over, it was actually the main debate strategy he used.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
If you are hiring based solely on race you are not hiring for the right reason. If I said we were going to change the NBA to 3/4th white players, would you expect the quality of play to remain the same?

Also, it seems you now have admitted this whole conversation was centered around DEI. IS that the case now or do you think it was just Charlie being racist?
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I’ve asked you probably 10 questions now and you’ve yet to answer a single one. You don’t even respond to the meaning of my comments
 
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Smokey123 said:
I’ve asked you probably 10 questions now and you’ve yet to answer a single one. You don’t even respond to the meaning of my comments
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That's bull. You are just avoiding it. The one question you asked is impossible to answer. I'm sure United is going to publish those standards. It's always implied that when you hire based on race quotas then someone suffers. It's automatic. You pass over other higher qualified applicants to meet those quotas. I'm sorry you are struggling with this. You say you are against DEI but when it's proven Charlie was 100% talking about hiring based on race, you can't acknowledge the truth. I know you want to hate him and that's fine. At least be honest in your hate.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
That's bull. You are just avoiding it. The one question you asked is impossible to answer. I'm sure United is going to publish those standards. It's always implied that when you hire based on race quotas then someone suffers. It's automatic. You pass over other higher qualified applicants to meet those quotas. I'm sorry you are struggling with this. You say you are against DEI but when it's proven Charlie was 100% talking about hiring based on race, you can't acknowledge the truth. I know you want to hate him and that's fine. At least be honest in your hate.
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lecturing someone about honesty while ignoring the truth and misrepresenting what was said hilarious. It’s been posted a dozen times it was not about having 50% black pilots yet here we are
 
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Smokey123 said:
lecturing someone about honesty while ignoring the truth and misrepresenting what was said hilarious. It’s been posted a dozen times it was not about having 50% black pilots yet here we are
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Yes, it was. If you ignore the truth to make your truth valid you are disingenuous. When you disparage someone as a racist, you're a pathetic person. Nothing Charlie said was untrue. You just don't like the truth.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
YOu too. Feel free to make things up to hate people for. It was there for you to see. 100% said what he was trying to get across. But making things up to hate people for seems ridiculous. You be you. I'll pray for you.
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Yup I hate the man that gave my brother a career and I watched all his shows. Pray that I’ll be as wise as you
 
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InVOLuntary said:
That's bull. You are just avoiding it. The one question you asked is impossible to answer. I'm sure United is going to publish those standards. It's always implied that when you hire based on race quotas then someone suffers. It's automatic. You pass over other higher qualified applicants to meet those quotas. I'm sorry you are struggling with this. You say you are against DEI but when it's proven Charlie was 100% talking about hiring based on race, you can't acknowledge the truth. I know you want to hate him and that's fine. At least be honest in your hate.
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I hired in corporate America and this is exactly how it worked. As a matter of fact, when I hired at and above certain roles, I had to fill out a disclaimer as to why I didn't hire a minority, if I hired a white male. It was one reason I left that well-known company. (I actually suspect I went on the do-not-rehire list there due to some of my exit interview answers.)

"How did you view your career trajectory here?"

I had little faith in my career trajectory here.

"Why?"

Because I had to explain myself when I hired someone that looked like me.

"Oh..."
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Kirk said their entire pilot base (all 20-25K of them by 2029) was going to be 50/50. The clip was edited to avoid any discussion about it being a training school and only included when CEO said the entire pilot class would be 50/50. Kirk thought this was talking about all 20K pilots at United and not the 400-500 that annually will go through the school.

The school was just a small portion of the pilot base of United
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In listening to the clip, CK said new hires and not the entire pilot base.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Provide one comment of me calling Charlie Kirk a racist. Thanks
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You really want me to go quote all the post where you insinuate he's a racist. I mean I'm not going to do that because it's blatantly obvious. You've continually disparaged his character and when presented evidence you'd dismissed it. When you make those statements you did, you ARE calling him a racist.
 
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