Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

[SmyrnaATLVolisback]

Why do you always do this man? That's a personal shot at me for no reason. We remember why you created a NEW account, yet you want to call me mad? Imply I'm emotional in my comments about PFF's grading system (far more than Boo himself) and nothing about what I said was even negative towards Boo.

It's like you can't just have a level headed discussion, you swing to the extremes in every interaction. Didn't say Boo was awful, but I stand by Hood is our best CB and it's not a debate.

You can’t be serious. Literally commented back to me with caps and saying how what I said was s***. And I said you are mad and I’m attacking you?

You can’t be serious. I didn’t say anything attacking or even Caps or personally. Sorry if I caught you on a bad day.

 

[SmyrnaATLVolisback]

I mean isn't that you that said that?



And yest to be clear me sharing both of their stats from Saturday was me saying that regardless of PFF's "coverage grade" I very much believe Hood is not only our best CB playing but was also the best CB on the field Saturday against Miss State.

No I didn’t say that at all. I said boo graded the highest. Period. That’s literally it and he had a good game. Never said he was better than hood or anything about hood at all. And I agree that Hood is our best cb right now. But that’s not the conversation. He had a great game when asked to play. That’s just a fact and backed up by stats and film.

I’ll drop it as it seems I caught you on a bad day. Hope all is ok

Edit:

I think we interpreted each others responses wrong man. Didn’t mean to come across harsh.

 

[RikidyBones]

Florida beats Texas this weekend. Don't @ me.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

You can’t be serious. Literally commented back to me with caps and saying how what I said was s***. And I said you are mad and I’m attacking you?

You can’t be serious. I didn’t say anything attacking or even Caps or personally. Sorry if I caught you on a bad day.

My original comment was made to say that PFF's grading system is questionable. That's all.


Edited: to remove my sarcastic ass tone lol

 

[MoCo_Vol]

No I didn’t say that at all. I said boo graded the highest. Period. That’s literally it and he had a good game. Never said he was better than hood or anything about hood at all. And I agree that Hood is our best cb right now. But that’s not the conversation. You are dogging boo when he had a great game when asked to play. That’s just a fact and backed up by stats and film.

I’ll drop it as it seems I caught you on a bad day. Hope all is ok

Explain to me, and I'm being serious. How was my comment where I just shared Boo's stats dogging him, I think you took the discussion you had with someone else and carried over their feelings towards/about Boo into my reply to you.

I want Boo at 100% and being the stud we all know he can be. But anyone that's watched games this season all know that he's not there yet. He'll have a few great plays then he'll have a few head scratchers, I think it's conditioning related mostly, since he really just missed summer workouts and he's playing himself into shape throughout the season.

Edit: I see your edit and I agree man. The other poster for sure seemed to be grinding an axe with Boo....I'm seeing what he's doing and just thinking "damn and this isn't full power yet" lol

 

[SmyrnaATLVolisback]

I CAN TYPE IN WHATEVER SIZE LETTERS I WANT...IT DOESN'T IMPLY EMOTION AT ALL. ANYONE THAT THINKS CAPS MEANS SOMEONE IS MAD IS STILL IN A HS MINDSET.

I'm having a great day, but there you go with those extreme swings again.

Stick to the topic which was that PFF's grading system is questionable. That's all my original comment was made to say.

Sounds good.

If any client sent me an email in all caps, I can assure you I would think they are mad. Shoot I couldn’t even caps a tax return at KPMG without the partner telling me that it felt like the return was literally yelling at him. True story.

 

[SmyrnaATLVolisback]

Still trying to dig into personal attacks.

Explain to me, and I'm being serious. How was my comment where I just shared Boo's stats dogging him, I think you took the discussion you had with someone else and carried over their feelings towards/about Boo into my reply to you.

I want Boo at 100% and being the stud we all know he can be. But anyone that's watched games this season all know that he's not there yet. He'll have a few great plays then he'll have a few head scratchers, I think it's conditioning related mostly, since he really just missed summer workouts and he's playing himself into shape throughout the season.

Edit: I see your edit and I agree man. The other poster for sure seemed to be grinding an axe with Boo....I'm seeing what he's doing and just thinking "damn and this isn't full power yet" lol

You got it! You are right.

 

[Volsdeep4]

Yet he graded as our best cb on Saturday with over a 90 grade. So literally everything you said is just your own feelings and is wrong.

it’s not feelings, it’s watching the games. So by pff (which is not the best argument) he played and graded 81.5 (31). McMurry 79.8 (56). Would you take .6 better grade but 25 less opportunities? you’ve said you played and know ball. Show me where he’s made a difference in the game, on defense. I’ll show you were he’s messed/missed/put hisself out of the play 2:1.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Sounds good.

If any client sent me an email in all caps, I can assure you I would think they are mad. Shoot I couldn’t even caps a tax return at KPMG without the partner telling me that it felt like the return was literally yelling at him. True story.

I usually just caps things for emphasis, I also use bold or italic...but yeah I get not everyone sees that the same way.


End of the day we're 4-1 and if Max wasn't in his own head we'd be 5-0 and have never played an OT game...yet even where we are both sides of the ball this team can and will get better, now we have 2 weeks for the banged up guys (West, Moi, Hobbs, McCoy, etc.) to get healthy and the other guys that are still not in full playing shape (Boo, Sanders, etc.) to get there for this next 4 game stretch of games.

 

[SmyrnaATLVolisback]

it’s not feelings, it’s watching the games. So by pff (which is not the best argument) he played and graded 81.5 (31). McMurry 79.8 (56). Would you take .6 better grade but 25 less opportunities? you’ve said you played and know ball. Show me where he’s made a difference in the game, on defense. I’ll show you were he’s messed/missed/put hisself out of the play 2:1.

I did not play football. Never once said that.

I played soccer in college. I live next to a former VFL linebacker. It’s how I’ve gotten to know Tony and other older VFLs. I watch games with plenty of former players. Been lucky.

 

[Volsdeep4]

Does anyone actually watch film or people who do breakdowns? He was literally one of our best on Saturday and graded very highly. In fact, I was shocked at how decent our safety play actually was after watching some film guys break down their play. We have to stop with built in narratives and actually listen to facts and stats.

Here’s a stat 31 plays 0 tackles there’s your boo Carter stats

 

[rikberry31]

Did some research and the criticism of Tim Banks is warranted I feel. I believe we are more talented than our defense is producing. We rank in the bottom half of the league in most defensive statistics. Specifically, the following concern me.

- Last in opponents TD's in red zone
- Among worst in opponents 3rd down conversion
- Among worst in opponents 4th down conversion
- Middle of pack in turnovers
- Bottom 3 in giving up explosive plays

And this is with the best pass rush in the league. We also generate the most tackles for losses. That should equate to better statistics in the 5 bullets above, not worse. Giving up big plays usually relates to discipline. The rest can be related to scheme. Let's see how Hobbs and McCoy change this, but we need to stop giving up big runs by vacating contain by DE's. And our safety's need to improve tremendously if we are going to improve against the big plays. If we are going to be a boom or bust defense, our turnovers need to be double what they are. We also need to buckle down in red zone. We cannot expect to win by allowing opponents to score a TD 80% of the time they cross our 20-yard line.

Statistically, this is the worst defense Heupel has had since 2021. We are better against the run this year than any year that isn't 2024, but against the pass, this is the worst D he has had. Luckily for us, this is the best offensive team CJH has had through 5 games. Our point differential is second to 2022.

We played soft zone coverage all day and for most of the season out of necessity, you'll see a big difference with two lockdown corners.

 

[SmyrnaATLVolisback]

I usually just caps things for emphasis, I also use bold or italic...but yeah I get not everyone sees that the same way.


End of the day we're 4-1 and if Max wasn't in his own head we'd be 5-0 and have never played an OT game...yet even where we are both sides of the ball this team can and will get better, now we have 2 weeks for the banged up guys (West, Moi, Hobbs, McCoy, etc.) to get healthy and the other guys that are still not in full playing shape (Boo, Sanders, etc.) to get there for this next 4 game stretch of games.

Man I wish someone had let max hit my pen before that kick. Dude looked like he could s*** a brick. He needed it. Ha

 

[TN-POSSUM]

 

[SmyrnaATLVolisback]

Here’s a stat 31 plays 0 tackles there’s your boo Carter stats

Guess he is just standing around then and hasn’t blown up at least three receivers already for incompletions. Can’t believe how bad he is. Glad you are here to let me know.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

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I'm standing at the top of the stairs with my heart pounding while mommy and daddy fight

 

[Heupel's Offseason Beard]

Did some research and the criticism of Tim Banks is warranted I feel. I believe we are more talented than our defense is producing. We rank in the bottom half of the league in most defensive statistics. Specifically, the following concern me.

- Last in opponents TD's in red zone
- Among worst in opponents 3rd down conversion
- Among worst in opponents 4th down conversion
- Middle of pack in turnovers
- Bottom 3 in giving up explosive plays

And this is with the best pass rush in the league. We also generate the most tackles for losses. That should equate to better statistics in the 5 bullets above, not worse. Giving up big plays usually relates to discipline. The rest can be related to scheme. Let's see how Hobbs and McCoy change this, but we need to stop giving up big runs by vacating contain by DE's. And our safety's need to improve tremendously if we are going to improve against the big plays. If we are going to be a boom or bust defense, our turnovers need to be double what they are. We also need to buckle down in red zone. We cannot expect to win by allowing opponents to score a TD 80% of the time they cross our 20-yard line.

Statistically, this is the worst defense Heupel has had since 2021. We are better against the run this year than any year that isn't 2024, but against the pass, this is the worst D he has had. Luckily for us, this is the best offensive team CJH has had through 5 games. Our point differential is second to 2022.

They played a TON of freshman and young guys in the first couple of weeks to get them valuable reps. Guys were lost. All of the issues are from inexperience. Not talent. Blown assignments, poor angles, soft tackling are all things that get fixed with repetitions and time in the film and weight room.

Personally, I've seen a lot of promising young players growing up. It's going to pay off dividends in the long run, but this is not the finished product of this defense. Not by a long shot. Also let's not forget that DT and CB are two of the most difficult positions on the field for young players to make an impact early on. And we have had to replace two slots at both positions.

I do wish that Telander would lose weight and Spillman would gain weight though

 

[zhangliao04]

edit: screenshots not going well

posting comments from MSU board about the crowd...

Way too many TN fans at that game​

Wait….some of their fans are calling for a REDUCTION in the size of their stadium?

 

[zhangliao04]

I agree. I think we got pretty dang close to threading the needle. He was trying to get in FG range to win it with no time left. Which should have been doable.




Starting at 2:40:17 in case the link doesn't start at that time specifically.

2nd down, The long TD was there but Jag hesitated just a bit and the pass was late and short.

3rd down, 18 seconds left. I think the plan was to run to get the first, which happened. Then get to the line to run the second play they had queued up, to get closer to FG before burning the second timeout with ~8 seconds remaining and one timeout left.

A quick set and run probably would have got us 3-5 yards. Or a dump off to Bishop instead of scanning the field for 4 seconds and burning that valuable time. Then you probably have 6-7 seconds left on 2nd down to run a quick out to get as close to the 35 as possible.

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Gotta dump it off if you're not gonna take the shot. You can tell Josh was not thrilled. I think he had 3 routes for Jag -- deep if it's there, underneath to get to 35 for the FG, or dump off if you don't see anything. Jag just held it too long and wasted 7 seconds.

I think the lesson there is take the timeout after the first down to make sure everyone is locked in or give yourself a second to reevaluate. I can understand wanting to have those 2 timeouts because if you complete the pass over the middle after converting, boom you burn your timeout and you have enough time for one more quick play if you want to get a little closer.

I think we were one play off from getting into FG range and sealing the deal. If Joey is quicker on the trigger for the deep shot, or makes a quicker decision on that 1st down hurry up pass, I think we win. In the end it all worked out anyway. Thankful they didn't pick the hail mary at the end of regulation.

Hopefully the experience will be helpful later this year. How Josh envisions these end of game situations, and how they are executed, are a little off.

I was internally screaming (little kids in the house) to dump that ball to the RB and froze still when he threw it lol.

 

[OrangeMoundTNVol]

Here’s a stat 31 plays 0 tackles there’s your boo Carter stats

Boo caused the pick 6, and had a big hit. Boo moves differently from the other star/safeties. I hate he had a bad offseason. He’s a playmaker, and we don’t have a lot of that back there.

 

[TN-POSSUM]

I'm standing at the top of the stairs with my heart pounding while mommy and daddy fight

 

[SmyrnaATLVolisback]

They played a TON of freshman and young guys in the first couple of weeks to get them valuable reps. Guys were lost. All of the issues are from inexperience. Not talent. Blown assignments, poor angles, soft tackling are all things that get fixed with repetitions and time in the film and weight room.

Personally, I've seen a lot of promising young players growing up. It's going to pay off dividends in the long run, but this is not the finished product of this defense. Not by a long shot. Also let's not forget that DT and CB are two of the most difficult positions on the field for young players to make an impact early on. And we have had to replace two slots at both positions.

I do wish that Telander would lose weight and Spillman would gain weight though

Campbell will be a monster at DT for the playoffs

 

[MoCo_Vol]

So one stat I see that I wish would be kind of taken in better context...

Is how many drives we allow opponents to reach the red zone (think we're 15th in SEC).

MSU had 4 drives start inside our own 28 yard line.

they had 1 drive start on their side of the field that ended in our red zone.

UAB had 3 drives end in our red zone, 2 of those were late in game when our 3rd/4th stringers were playing their starters.

Georgia had 7, Syracuse had 5

So we've gotten better every week. From 5 to 7 to 3 to just 1 (not counting those drives where MSU got turnovers inside our 28).

This is a great time for a BYE for us and I'm very hopeful we see the defense looking better and fresher coming out of it.

 

[Heupel's Offseason Beard]

It certainly can get better. I would just like to know the total number of redzone trips by our opponents and how that compares to others.

We essentially gave MSU 3 trips in the redzone on turnovers. That’s a tall task. Our defense didn’t allow the TD in OT when it counted. Off the top of my head, our offense gave ETSU or UAB the ball on the 6 after a fumble. These things aren’t outlined in the stats.

Yeah I feel like a lot of our fans were absolutely hammered and forgot the situation that the defense got put in. Muffed punt and interceptions on our side of the field are disaster scenarios

 

[csprig9]

Florida beats Texas this weekend. Don't @ me.

Hope so and I hate saying that
Would help us