President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

[swampfoxfan]

Trump plans to give farmers tariff money to help them avoid bankruptcy. Tariffs that made everything cost more from parts to product. So, if tr ump had done nothing everyone would have saved money. Perfect example of incompetence.

 

[Vol8188]

There is a lot of mouth breathers who only believe what orange man says.

Cool. That doesn’t change that fact that you’re openly lying here about what Charlie Kirk said.

 

[swampfoxfan]

Cool. That doesn’t change that fact that you’re openly lying here about what Charlie Kirk said.

That's the scary part, you repugs won't believe what came out of the man's mouth if it doesn't fit what you are told to believe.

 

[appvol]

That's the scary part, you repugs won't believe what came out of the man's mouth if it doesn't fit what you are told to believe.

We heard what he said in full context. So actually you are the one that’s not believing because it doesn’t fit your narrative

 

[appvol]

That's the scary part, you repugs won't believe what came out of the man's mouth if it doesn't fit what you are told to believe.

What are your thoughts on this. Remember a Democrat Judge upheld the ban. If it was a Republican counsel and Republican judge that upheld it how mad would you be

 

[Vol8188]

That's the scary part, you repugs won't believe what came out of the man's mouth if it doesn't fit what you are told to believe.

Show us. And then I’ll gladly show you the full clips that proves you’re lying

 

[hog88]

Felons who have completed their sentences should be able to own guns and vote. Its a shame we want to punish them for life.

Agreed, once a sentence is complete all punishment should stop and all rights restored.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Show us. And then I’ll gladly show you the full clips that proves you’re lying

I'll sign up for that as well. Obviously the first 30 pages on the subject was not enough.

 

[swampfoxfan]

Show us. And then I’ll gladly show you the full clips that proves you’re lying

You won't believe anything contrary to what your hate dictates.

 

[appvol]

You won't believe anything contrary to what your hate dictates.

Because you can’t show anything for us to believe that’s in full context

 

[Vol8188]

You won't believe anything contrary to what your hate dictates.

Maybe I won’t. But I’m not the only one reading this. You made a claim. What’s the evidence for your claim?

Let’s see it.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

So you are okay with zero monitoring of sex offenders and zero restrictions for them once released if they served their full term? But if the monitoring is part of an early release deal so be it, because they voluntarily accepted that?

I think in theory what you’re saying sounds nice. The idea that you owe a debt to a society and once paid you get a fresh start.

I think the issue is that theory ignores high recidivism rates and falsely assumes these will be changed people upon release.

I am completely open to applying your ideas to nonviolent and non-sexual felons. Because the risk to society as a whole is lesser

Then make the sentences for those crimes longer.

If you've served your time, you've served your time. Recidivism rates are very much tied to the difficulties of life after prison and the scarlet letter of having a felony on your record.

 

[Vol8188]

Then make the sentences for those crimes longer.

If you've served your time, you've served your time. Recidivism rates are very much tied to the difficulties of life after prison and the scarlet letter of having a felony on your record.

You’re assuming the cause of recidivism is the difficulty of life after prison. The truth is it’s nearly impossible to study that question because you have to untie it from the obvious question of “are repeat offenders simply people who are more prone to violence or criminal activity in general”.

I assume the later.

But like I said: I am open to applying your philosophy to non-violent and non-sex related felony charges. Because the risk overall is lesser to society if you’re wrong.

 

[Grand Vol]

@Grand Vol how we feeling about your boy?

I'm not sure which is more concerning. The way you've become completely unhinged during this Trump Presidency...

Or how I'm the first person you think of to @ when you find these things

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

You won't believe anything contrary to what your hate dictates.

Sounds like those goofy dolts on the left who do that 100% every day like you,

 

[DinkinFlicka]

You’re assuming the cause of recidivism is the difficulty of life after prison. The truth is it’s nearly impossible to study that question because you have to untie it from the obvious question of “are repeat offenders simply people who are more prone to violence or criminal activity in general”.

I assume the later.

Or, and hold on to your panties for this one, it could be that both are possible.

Sounds like prisons could be reformed to actually rehabilitate inmates instead of merely contain them.

 

[Vol8188]

Or, and hold on to your panties for this one, it could be that both are possible.

Sounds like prisons could be reformed to actually rehabilitate inmates instead of merely contain them.

Sure. Both are possible. So if we agree there’s a good chance these people are likely to repeat due to an innate propensity, why would we not continue monitoring them and/or restricting certain rights?

You’re acting like rehabilitation is a new idea. It’s been tried for decades. The issue is there’s a lot of things that cannot be fixed regarding a person’s personality.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Sure. Both are possible. So if we agree there’s a good chance these people are likely to repeat due to an innate propensity, why would we not continue monitoring them and/or restricting certain rights?

You’re acting like rehabilitation is a new idea. It’s been tried for decades. The issue is there’s a lot of things that cannot be fixed regarding a person’s personality.

Counterpoint: don't restrict rights, but make the sentence much harsher for a repeat offenders.

I'm not acting like that at all. I just think prison reform has been half assed for decades. It's pretty well known that the rehabilitation leg of prison is virtually nonexistent and the outlets that do exist are just checking the bare minimum of boxes.

It's a cheap labor and containment facility and has been little more than that for a long, long time.

 

[Vol8188]

Counterpoint: don't restrict rights, but make the sentence much harsher for a repeat offenders.

If the issue is truly mental, harsher sentencing won’t change the outcome.

I'm not acting like that at all. I just think prison reform has been half assed for decades. It's pretty well known that the rehabilitation leg of prison is virtually nonexistent and the outlets that do exist are just checking the bare minimum of boxes.

Even if you whole ass it, as of today, we don’t have effective ways of doing so. There’s no effective rehabilitation protocol out there because you’re asking for an impossible task.

It's a cheap labor and containment facility and has been little more than that for a long, long time.

I don’t oppose either.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

If the issue is truly mental, harsher sentencing won’t change the outcome.



Even if you whole ass it, as of today, we don’t have effective ways of doing so. There’s no effective rehabilitation protocol out there because you’re asking for an impossible task.



I don’t oppose either.

Why do other countries have ways of doing it but we don't? Why do you assume a felon is inherent, constant, and immune to change?

The fact that you don't oppose the complex I described is part of the problem.

That said, there's nothing more to discuss with you on this subject. We fundamentally disagree.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You won't believe anything contrary to what your hate dictates.

Back to taking the Unhinged of the Month back from Jawtator it looks like.

 

[Vol8188]

Why do other countries have ways of doing it but we don't? Why do you assume a felon is inherent, constant, and immune to change?

What’s your evidence that other countries do? I’m not aware of that.

The fact that you don't oppose the complex I described is part of the problem.

Is it? If tax payers are paying to house and feed people, efforts should be made to offset that cost.

That said, there's nothing more to discuss with you on this subject. We fundamentally disagree.

Okay.

 

[swampfoxfan]

Back to taking the Unhinged of the Month back from Jawtator it looks like.

Blah blah blah hate hate hate blah blah blah

 

[swampfoxfan]

Or, and hold on to your panties for this one, it could be that both are possible.

Sounds like prisons could be reformed to actually rehabilitate inmates instead of merely contain them.

Prisons profit from incarceration, not rehabilitation.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Prisons profit from incarceration, not rehabilitation.

Profit? I was told it was "offsetting the cost to house inmates."