Too much ice

#151
#151
LouderVol said:
yeah, nope to all of that. we weren't in an emergency before ICE started rounding them up, we certainly aren't in an emergency now.

national emergencies need to be dealing with major events like the hurricanes that hit the east coast, not being sure to round up protestors outside of ICE facilities.

the last part can be achieved without either of the first two.
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Protestors. lol Mostly peaceful? You work for CNN?

How about asynchronous warfare, snipers and assassins?
 
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#152
#152
n_huffhines said:
One politically motivated agent scrawling a message on a bullet casing is not a conspiracy because it only takes one.

We have no reason to believe an agent did this, but we have reason to be skeptical.
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You have a frog in your pocket?

Why should we be skeptical? Because you're having cognitive dissonance? You've bought into the idea that the right are fascists, but just can't bring yourself to believe that leftists are acting like fascists?
 
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#153
Orange_Crush said:
Protestors. lol Mostly peaceful? You work for CNN?

How about asynchronous warfare, snipers and assassins?
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how are troops going to handle assassins?

you willing to give up whats left of your freedoms to fight these "guerillas"? you can kiss the 4A goodbye trying to combat any type of "asynchronous" warfare. same with the 2A, the 1A, 5A, 6A, 8A, 9A, and most likely the 10A.

remember how much the Covid restrictions suck? now imagine the military is enforcing them. and realize the guy who allowed those Covid restrictions is in power again.
 
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#155
#155
Orange_Crush said:
You have a frog in your pocket?

Why should we be skeptical? Because you're having cognitive dissonance? You've bought into the idea that the right are fascists, but just can't bring yourself to believe that leftists are acting like fascists?
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again, no one is acting like fascists. they are acting like authoritarians.

and you yourself are in this thread excusing the government to take unilateral actions that have no place in this country.
 
#156
#156
LouderVol said:
how are troops going to handle assassins?

you willing to give up whats left of your freedoms to fight these "guerillas"? you can kiss the 4A goodbye trying to combat any type of "asynchronous" warfare. same with the 2A, the 1A, 5A, 6A, 8A, 9A, and most likely the 10A.

remember how much the Covid restrictions suck? now imagine the military is enforcing them. and realize the guy who allowed those Covid restrictions is in power again.
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It's definitely a hard spot we're being put into. Like I said, I don't want to see it happen. But the radical left is forcing the issue. Just watch.
 
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#157
LouderVol said:
again, no one is acting like fascists. they are acting like authoritarians.

and you yourself are in this thread excusing the government to take unilateral actions that have no place in this country.
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I've stated twice that I don't want to see it happen but see it coming.

You don't believe in the need for the existence of declared states of emergency?
 
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#158
#158
Orange_Crush said:
I've stated twice that I don't want to see it happen but see it coming.

You don't believe in the need for the existence of declared states of emergency?
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as of 3:09 pm EST 9/24/25? absolutely not. there isn't even a need to declare a state of emergency in Texas where this shooting happened.

by accepting it, and just shrugging along, you are making it more likely.
 
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#159
LouderVol said:
where did I say anything about "peaceful"? that is you making up crap again, be careful casting stones there Chris Cuomo.
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I was making a tongue in cheek point--there are bigger problems than "protestors". Switch to decaf, amigo. I'm not trying to start a fight with you.
 
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#160
Orange_Crush said:
It's definitely a hard spot we're being put into. Like I said, I don't want to see it happen. But the radical left is forcing the issue. Just watch.
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the only way they are "Forcing" the issue is by getting you to dance to their tune. all it takes is reasonableness from the government and this stuff runs out steam far quicker than the military will ever fix it. far cheaper, and less bloody too.

our left hand cut the right hand, and you are ok chopping off the head to fix the problem.
 
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#161
LouderVol said:
as of 3:09 pm EST 9/24/25? absolutely not. there isn't even a need to declare a state of emergency in Texas where this shooting happened.

by accepting it, and just shrugging along, you are making it more likely.
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Then we agree. You should probably actually read my posts. I've spoken in the future tense more than once in this. Let me be clearer.

I don't think we're there, but if it keeps escalating, it will happen.

SO, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, CAN WE PLEASE STOP ESCALATING?!


Do you find that helpful?
 
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#162
LouderVol said:
the only way they are "Forcing" the issue is by getting you to dance to their tune. all it takes is reasonableness from the government and this stuff runs out steam far quicker than the military will ever fix it. far cheaper, and less bloody too.

our left hand cut the right hand, and you are ok chopping off the head to fix the problem.
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Since you are intent to argue with a strawman, I'll leave the two of you in the room alone.
 
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#165
Orange_Crush said:
Then we agree. You should probably actually read my posts. I've spoken in the future tense more than once in this. Let me be clearer.

I don't think we're there, but if it keeps escalating, it will happen.

SO, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, CAN WE PLEASE STOP ESCALATING?!


Do you find that helpful?
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the orange is helpful.
 
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#167
LouderVol said:
where is the straw man? The "forcing" was your term, not mine.
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1. You assuming that I am calling for it, when I said completely the opposite.
2. You assuming that I think we're at a point that it would be appropriate and justified.

LouderVol said:
as of 3:09 pm EST 9/24/25? absolutely not. there isn't even a need to declare a state of emergency in Texas where this shooting happened.

by accepting it, and just shrugging along, you are making it more likely.
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LouderVol said:
the only way they are "Forcing" the issue is by getting you to dance to their tune. all it takes is reasonableness from the government and this stuff runs out steam far quicker than the military will ever fix it. far cheaper, and less bloody too.

our left hand cut the right hand, and you are ok chopping off the head to fix the problem.
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Take care. Like I said, I'll leave you arm wrestle your imaginary friend.
 
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#168
Orange_Crush said:
1. You assuming that I am calling for it, when I said completely the opposite.
2. You assuming that I think we're at a point that it would be appropriate and justified.




Take care. Like I said, I'll leave you arm wrestle your imaginary friend.
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at least I get better arguments from him.
 
#170
#170
LouderVol said:
how are troops going to handle assassins?

you willing to give up whats left of your freedoms to fight these "guerillas"? you can kiss the 4A goodbye trying to combat any type of "asynchronous" warfare. same with the 2A, the 1A, 5A, 6A, 8A, 9A, and most likely the 10A.

remember how much the Covid restrictions suck? now imagine the military is enforcing them. and realize the guy who allowed those Covid restrictions is in power again.
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Not to change the subject, but what sucked the most for me was how many AMERICANS just nodded and went along with those restrictions. It was a hard reality that 80 to 85% of the sheeple just march in the herd totally oblivious to what was being done to them with no protest. People often ask "How did the (insert name here, nazi, commie, etc) take over xxxxx country"? Well, I think covid was the dry run. We're going to see the real thing pretty soon. People are asleep.
 
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#171
#171
OrangeTsar said:
If the violence continues to accelerate, the Government will eventually have no choice but to do so. The democrat leadership needs to call off their crazed attack dogs and quit calling ICE „the gestapo“
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I disagree with the first part of your statement, it's the last thing we need. I agree with your last sentence though, their rhetoric is toxic. A good portion of the right as well.
 
#172
#172
n_huffhines said:
So he shot 3 detainees, no ICE officers, and we're supposed to believe that the shell casing was "engraved" with a leftist message when it's just bic pen scrawling? I'll wait on more evidence.

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He shot at a transport vehicle. If the reports coming out are true it's likely he thought he was shooting at a vehicle transporting ice agents, not detainees.
 
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n_huffhines said:
One politically motivated agent scrawling a message on a bullet casing is not a conspiracy because it only takes one.

We have no reason to believe an agent did this, but we have reason to be skeptical.
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We dont have reason to be skeptical, but I have no problem in saying we have reason to wait for more information.

I'll admit when the first reports came out with detainees murdered I thought likely right wing nut. But with the trickle of info I'm beginning to think it may be a left wing nut. We'll see as more info comes out.
 
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