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Statement by Prime Minister Carney on Canada’s recognition of the State of Palestine​

September 21, 2025
Ottawa, Ontario


“Since 1947, it has been the policy of every Canadian government to support a two-state solution for lasting peace in the Middle East. This envisioned the creation of a sovereign, democratic, and viable State of Palestine building its future in peace and security alongside the State of Israel.
Over many decades, Canada’s commitment to this goal was premised on the expectation that this outcome would be eventually achieved as part of a negotiated settlement. Regrettably, this possibility has been steadily and gravely eroded, including by:
  • The pervasive threat of Hamas terrorism to Israel and its people, culminating in the heinous terrorist attack of October 7, 2023, and Hamas’ longstanding violent rejection of Israel’s right to exist and a two-state solution.
  • The accelerated settlement building across the West Bank and East Jerusalem, while settler violence against Palestinians has soared.
  • Actions such as the E1 Settlement Plan and this year’s vote by the Knesset calling for the annexation of the West Bank.
  • The Israeli government’s contribution to the humanitarian disaster in Gaza, including by impeding access to food and other essential humanitarian supplies.
Hamas has terrorized the people of Israel and oppressed the people of Gaza, wreaking horrific suffering. It is imperative that Hamas release all hostages, fully disarm, and play no role in the future governance of Palestine. Hamas has stolen from the Palestinian people, cheated them of their life and liberty, and can in no way dictate their future.
The current Israeli government is working methodically to prevent the prospect of a Palestinian state from ever being established. It has pursued an unrelenting policy of settlement expansion in the West Bank, which is illegal under international law. Its sustained assault in Gaza has killed tens of thousands of civilians, displaced well over one million people, and caused a devastating and preventable famine in violation of international law. It is now the avowed policy of the current Israeli government that ‘there will be no Palestinian state’.
It is in this context that Canada recognises the State of Palestine and offers our partnership in building the promise of a peaceful future for both the State of Palestine and the State of Israel. Canada does so as part of a co-ordinated international effort to preserve the possibility of a two-state solution. While Canada is under no illusions that this recognition is a panacea, this recognition is firmly aligned with the principles of self-determination and fundamental human rights reflected in the United Nations Charter, and the consistent policy of Canada for generations.
Recognising the State of Palestine, led by the Palestinian Authority, empowers those who seek peaceful coexistence and the end of Hamas. This in no way legitimises terrorism, nor is it any reward for it. Furthermore, it in no way compromises Canada’s steadfast support for the State of Israel, its people, and their security – security that can only ultimately be guaranteed through the achievement of a comprehensive two-state solution.
The Palestinian Authority has provided direct commitments to Canada and the international community on much-needed reforms, including to fundamentally reform its governance, to hold general elections in 2026 in which Hamas can play no part, and to demilitarize the Palestinian state. Canada will intensify efforts to support the Palestinian Authority’s implementation of this reform agenda, on which progress has already been made. With our international partners, Canada supports the development of a credible peace plan, democratic governance and clear security arrangements for Palestine, and the sustained, large-scale delivery of humanitarian aid into and throughout Gaza.”
 
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Statement by Prime Minister Carney on Canada’s recognition of the State of Palestine​

September 21, 2025
Ottawa, Ontario


“Since 1947, it has been the policy of every Canadian government to support a two-state solution for lasting peace in the Middle East. This envisioned the creation of a sovereign, democratic, and viable State of Palestine building its future in peace and security alongside the State of Israel.
Over many decades, Canada’s commitment to this goal was premised on the expectation that this outcome would be eventually achieved as part of a negotiated settlement. Regrettably, this possibility has been steadily and gravely eroded, including by:
  • The pervasive threat of Hamas terrorism to Israel and its people, culminating in the heinous terrorist attack of October 7, 2023, and Hamas’ longstanding violent rejection of Israel’s right to exist and a two-state solution.
  • The accelerated settlement building across the West Bank and East Jerusalem, while settler violence against Palestinians has soared.
  • Actions such as the E1 Settlement Plan and this year’s vote by the Knesset calling for the annexation of the West Bank.
  • The Israeli government’s contribution to the humanitarian disaster in Gaza, including by impeding access to food and other essential humanitarian supplies.
Hamas has terrorized the people of Israel and oppressed the people of Gaza, wreaking horrific suffering. It is imperative that Hamas release all hostages, fully disarm, and play no role in the future governance of Palestine. Hamas has stolen from the Palestinian people, cheated them of their life and liberty, and can in no way dictate their future.
The current Israeli government is working methodically to prevent the prospect of a Palestinian state from ever being established. It has pursued an unrelenting policy of settlement expansion in the West Bank, which is illegal under international law. Its sustained assault in Gaza has killed tens of thousands of civilians, displaced well over one million people, and caused a devastating and preventable famine in violation of international law. It is now the avowed policy of the current Israeli government that ‘there will be no Palestinian state’.
It is in this context that Canada recognises the State of Palestine and offers our partnership in building the promise of a peaceful future for both the State of Palestine and the State of Israel. Canada does so as part of a co-ordinated international effort to preserve the possibility of a two-state solution. While Canada is under no illusions that this recognition is a panacea, this recognition is firmly aligned with the principles of self-determination and fundamental human rights reflected in the United Nations Charter, and the consistent policy of Canada for generations.
Recognising the State of Palestine, led by the Palestinian Authority, empowers those who seek peaceful coexistence and the end of Hamas. This in no way legitimises terrorism, nor is it any reward for it. Furthermore, it in no way compromises Canada’s steadfast support for the State of Israel, its people, and their security – security that can only ultimately be guaranteed through the achievement of a comprehensive two-state solution.
The Palestinian Authority has provided direct commitments to Canada and the international community on much-needed reforms, including to fundamentally reform its governance, to hold general elections in 2026 in which Hamas can play no part, and to demilitarize the Palestinian state. Canada will intensify efforts to support the Palestinian Authority’s implementation of this reform agenda, on which progress has already been made. With our international partners, Canada supports the development of a credible peace plan, democratic governance and clear security arrangements for Palestine, and the sustained, large-scale delivery of humanitarian aid into and throughout Gaza.”
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You can recognize in one hand and **** in the other and see what is better.

Until the hostages are released nobody will do anything beyond those empty words that have been said so many times before and resulted in nothing changing.
 
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You can recognize in one hand and **** in the other and see what is better.

Until the hostages are released nobody will do anything beyond those empty words that have been said so many times before and resulted in nothing changing.
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Those 'empty words' mark an important policy shift, brought about by Israel's repeated atrocities in Gaza and aggression in the West Bank.
The hostages should be released and never should have been taken. The same goes for many Palestinian captives as well.
Their release wouldn't have any effect on Israel's actions as we've already seen.
 
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EasternVol said:
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no they don’t. People have recognized and taken it back to many times to count.
Until the people of Gaza can prove they can take care of themselves it won’t matter who spoke empty words.

And absolutely nobody will intervene until all the hostages are released.
 
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Israel categorically rejects the one-sided declaration of the recognition of a Palestinian state​

This move goes against all logic of negotiation and reaching a compromise between two sides, and it will push the desired peace further away.​

Oren Marmorstein

In response to the statement of the U.K. and some other countries regarding the recognition of a Palestinian state:

Israel categorically rejects the one-sided declaration of the recognition of a Palestinian state made by the United Kingdom and some other countries.
This declaration does not promote peace, but on the contrary - further destabilizes the region and undermines the chances of achieving a peaceful solution in the future.

Called by Hamas leaders “the fruits of the October 7 massacre”, the declaration not only rewards the biggest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust by a terror organization that is calling and acting for the annihilation of Israel, but also solidifies the support Hamas enjoys.

It is destructive to separate statehood – one of the final status issues – from peace.
This move goes against all logic of negotiation and reaching a compromise between two sides, and it will push the desired peace further away.

Moreover, The Palestinian Authority did not meet any of its requirements and obligations; it did not stop neither the incitement, nor the pay-for-slay policy, nor did it take the required measures to combat terrorism – as demonstrated recently with the discovery of rockets and missiles near Ramallah last week.

The Palestinian Authority is part of the problem and not part of the solution. This is also the reason why the United States imposed sanctions on the Palestinian Authority and prevented its senior officials from entering its territory.

In any case, Israel will not accept any detached and imaginary text that attempts to force it to accept indefensible borders.

Political gestures aimed at a domestic voting audience only harm the Middle East and are not helpful. Instead, if the countries that signed this declaration truly wish to stabilize the region, they should focus on pressuring Hamas to release the hostages and to disarm immediately.
 
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Statement by PM Netanyahu​


Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: "There will be no Palestinian state. The response to the latest attempt to force upon us a terror state in the heart of our land will be given after my return from the United States"


"I have a clear message to those leaders who are recognizing a Palestinian state after the horrendous October 7 massacre: You are rewarding terror with an enormous prize.

And I have another message for you: It's not going to happen. There will be no Palestinian state to the west of the Jordan River.

For years I have prevented the creation of that terror state, against tremendous pressure, both domestic and from abroad.

We have done this with determination, and with astute statesmanship. Moreover, we have doubled the Jewish settlement in Judea and Samaria, and we will continue on this path.

The response to the latest attempt to force upon us a terror state in the heart of our land will be given after my return from the United States. Stand by

 
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Orangeslice13 said:
no they don’t. People have recognized and taken it back to many times to count.
Until the people of Gaza can prove they can take care of themselves it won’t matter who spoke empty words.

And absolutely nobody will intervene until all the hostages are released.
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Which countries have recognized and then rescinded the recognition?
 
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Israel categorically rejects the one-sided declaration of the recognition of a Palestinian state​

This move goes against all logic of negotiation and reaching a compromise between two sides, and it will push the desired peace further away.​

Oren Marmorstein

In response to the statement of the U.K. and some other countries regarding the recognition of a Palestinian state:

Israel categorically rejects the one-sided declaration of the recognition of a Palestinian state made by the United Kingdom and some other countries.
This declaration does not promote peace, but on the contrary - further destabilizes the region and undermines the chances of achieving a peaceful solution in the future.

Called by Hamas leaders “the fruits of the October 7 massacre”, the declaration not only rewards the biggest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust by a terror organization that is calling and acting for the annihilation of Israel, but also solidifies the support Hamas enjoys.

It is destructive to separate statehood – one of the final status issues – from peace.
This move goes against all logic of negotiation and reaching a compromise between two sides, and it will push the desired peace further away.

Moreover, The Palestinian Authority did not meet any of its requirements and obligations; it did not stop neither the incitement, nor the pay-for-slay policy, nor did it take the required measures to combat terrorism – as demonstrated recently with the discovery of rockets and missiles near Ramallah last week.

The Palestinian Authority is part of the problem and not part of the solution. This is also the reason why the United States imposed sanctions on the Palestinian Authority and prevented its senior officials from entering its territory.

In any case, Israel will not accept any detached and imaginary text that attempts to force it to accept indefensible borders.

Political gestures aimed at a domestic voting audience only harm the Middle East and are not helpful. Instead, if the countries that signed this declaration truly wish to stabilize the region, they should focus on pressuring Hamas to release the hostages and to disarm immediately.
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That's quite hypocritical. The statement would be almost amusing if so many lives and livelihoods weren't in the balance.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Please point to where the hostages were all released and it had no effect on Israel's actions.
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You like impossible hypotheticals don't you?
We have seen some hostages released under an agreement which called for continued negotiations and further hostage releases, which Israel walked away from and resumed their attacks.
 
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MAD said:

Statement by PM Netanyahu​


Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: "There will be no Palestinian state. The response to the latest attempt to force upon us a terror state in the heart of our land will be given after my return from the United States"


"I have a clear message to those leaders who are recognizing a Palestinian state after the horrendous October 7 massacre: You are rewarding terror with an enormous prize.

And I have another message for you: It's not going to happen. There will be no Palestinian state to the west of the Jordan River.

For years I have prevented the creation of that terror state, against tremendous pressure, both domestic and from abroad.

We have done this with determination, and with astute statesmanship. Moreover, we have doubled the Jewish settlement in Judea and Samaria, and we will continue on this path.

The response to the latest attempt to force upon us a terror state in the heart of our land will be given after my return from the United States. Stand by

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Hypocritical too. It sounds like there's only room for one 'terror state'.
 
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EasternVol said:
You like impossible hypotheticals don't you?
We have seen some hostages released under an agreement which called for continued negotiations and further hostage releases, which Israel walked away from and resumed their attacks.
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Hey, you were the one who made absolute conclusions you can not possibly know, I thought maybe you could answer impossible hypotheticals, too. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Terrorist group Hamas publicly executes three men in Gaza as Prime Minister Anthony Albanese recognises Palestinian statehood​

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The video footage showed victims forced to kneel with their eyes blindfolded and hands tied before they were kicked to the ground and shot in the head.

A large crowd of Gaza Strip residents gathered at the scene, filming the execution on their phones and chanting slogans in support of Hamas.
 
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Vol8188 said:
“I’m not racist but I think most Jews are evil”-Nash
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I think it is fair to point out that people in that region don't have the same for regard for life as we do in this country. I don't agree with a lot of things President Trump says, but I think he nailed it in regards to the Israel/Palestine conflict.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I think it is fair to point out that people in that region don't have the same for regard for life as we do in this country. I don't agree with a lot of things President Trump says, but I think he nailed it in regards to the Israel/Palestine conflict.
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Nash posted a made up statistic that paints an entire group in a negative light. If this were anyone else and any other group of people, he would be losing his mind.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Nash posted a made up statistic that paints an entire group in a negative light. If this were anyone else and any other group of people, he would be losing his mind.
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I wasn't trying to defend what he posted. I think people are so quick to try to win the argument that they forget to make sure they aren't posting lies/propaganda. At least I hope that is the case.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I think it is fair to point out that people in that region don't have the same for regard for life as we do in this country. I don't agree with a lot of things President Trump says, but I think he nailed it in regards to the Israel/Palestine conflict.
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I’m no Trump fan and I don’t pay attention to much of what he says so I can’t speak to that. But you’re correct about the way they see life over there. Hamas has shot their own for trying to get the aid that was sent to them. They hide behind their own people as shields in an effort to increase the death rate. They still hold hostages with absolutely no hope of winning this conflict and Israel isn’t stopping till Hamas is finished. Both sides say this is to the death so ….as I’ve said over and over….we should believe them. Stop paying for it. Stop trying to push our solutions on them. And maybe realize after 80 years of this, they don’t want to coexist and simply are not going to
 
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And morons around the world thinking that recognition of a Palestinian state will change anything is simply….moronic.

Both Russia and China have recognized a Palestine state on and off since the 80s. In the 90s the rotation of recognition was impossible to keep up with. Even the UN in 2012 gave them a status that could have easily resulted in statehood…….they simply didn’t want it if that means Israel continues to exist.
 
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