Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

[GVF]

It’s truly sad how a guy who created a platform by talking to others, who has “extremist views” that from most accounts seem taken out of context, but is obviously right leaning, has brought so much hate to the surface. The level of comfort people have shown to have while spewing absolute hatred for someone who really has zero impact on their life is astounding and pathetic.

Almost like bringing the level of hate for opposites in this country to the surface that no one else would address is the result of the plan for his life.

 

[McDad]

No. Too much pre-trial public verdict. Right, wrong or indifferent the cop was cooked. Excessive force. Likley, but full video footage that I saw atleast made me question. I think there was a point where he was more than safe to back off. That much is undeniable. Were his actions the sole cause of Floyd's death. I don't buy it in this case speficially. But, we will never know if Floyd would have lived or still died from fentanyl unless the cop had relented once he subdued. I can't recall the exact verdict, but if I was a juror, i'd have said voluntary manslaughter and not murder. It wasn't premeditated, it wasn't targeted. It was a reaction to a hard to subdue perp. I could not ask for involuntary because he did have ample time to collect himself and back off after Floyd was restrained and cuffed finally. Atleast that what I discerned with what I saw released. What sways me toward the cop in some ways is that there were other cops, non-white asian/black, present and no one tried to back him off. I always felt there was a reason for that we weren't privy to. Or they just decided to let him dig his own grave when it went that far.

BTW, I absolutely believe Derek to be in the work professionally and morally. To me, he killed Floyd

 

[GVF]

The court failed him by not moving the venue?

Definitely. Never understood that. No way, no how that was going to be a fair trial. May have still been found guilty. But, if there was a shadow of a doubt, it wasn't gonna happen locally.

 

[Orange_Crush]

20%. The old adage 20% of the people do 80% of the work.

So, about 75M Americans.

I'm talking about within a party.

 

[McDad]

I'm talking about within a party.

110M democrats?

22M.

 

[Orange_Crush]

110M democrats?

22M.

??? That's a huge number ???

 

[GVF]

BTW, I absolutely believe Derek to be in the work professionally and morally. To me, he killed Floyd

He didn't have a great rep. Maybe some questionable things in his HR file. A track record. IIRC, he was not exactly thought of as an impeccable cop. I'm not defending him or saying he wasn't guilty. I am acknowledging Floyd was loaded at the time on a very deadly drug and Derek's actions were possibly not solitary cause. But partial cause is still cause. He had plenty of time to avoid being a contributing factor.

 

[McDad]

??? That's a huge number ???


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Oh yeah. My mistake!

You're right.

I was thinking about third of population not a 3rd of registered voters.

8.8M

 

[McDad]

He didn't have a great rep. Maybe some questionable things in his HR file. A track record. IIRC, he was not exactly thought of as an impeccable cop. I'm not defending him or saying he wasn't guilty. I am acknowledging Floyd was loaded at the time on a very deadly drug and Derek's actions were possibly not solitary cause. But partial cause is still cause. He had plenty of time to avoid being a contributing factor.

The challenge with your position is that it his death was adjudicated. Those doubts should've been reasonable doubt. Should've been part of the trial. Should be part of the record.
If you want to disagree with the verdict or the process, that's understandable. But it gets harder for me to consider his drug usage as consequential when the "facts" were decided.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Almost like bringing the level of hate for opposites in this country to the surface that no one else would address is the result of the plan for his life.

Maybe so.

 

[GVF]

The challenge with your position is that it his death was adjudicated. Those doubts should've been reasonable doubt. Should've been part of the trial. Should be part of the record.
If you want to disagree with the verdict or the process, that's understandable. But it gets harder for me to consider his drug usage as consequential when the "facts" were decided.

And that's why from a legal standpoint it could not be allowed. Fentanyl is highly deadly. However, there is no way medically one can say or prove Floyd would have died that day, in that time frame, from fentanyl if the cop had not applied excessive or deadly force to the neck. Nor can one medically say the excessive force on the neck induced a fentanyl related death. Bottom line is the only thing left to argue factually was the cop stood on his neck and didn't back down when it was safe to do so. Perp died. Under the circumstances, I vote manslaughter for the cop, non-martyr for Floyd. You can't buckle an action to a possibility in a court room, even if it was Floyd and his his track record.

 

[GVF]

All things being equal, there would be no need for equity.
All things will never be equal.
There does need to be a proper balance between the two.

But back to your picture. Isn't equality allowing all 3 to see the game.

Equal and equitable are tow differing terms.

Luther and Scott are Equal... By the constitution and by Gods law... We are eqaul.

Scott makes 250K. Luther makes 50K. We are not equitable with each other. Take from Scott and give to Luther. Not biblical from a legal standpoint. Only I can make it my decision to give to you. It's not .gov's place to do so.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Only within right wing media. I hear nothing of the sort.

There have been thousands of such cases all over social media and in localities all over the country. Why do you think so many teachers and nurses have been losing their jobs?

 

[BreatheUT]

And he followed it with..........................
After that comment, Kirk listed a series of accusations about Floyd's background, criminal history and cause of death — all with varying degrees of legitimacy. The Associated Press, reporting on the event, described that section of the speech as "an avalanche of aspersions and debunked claims about Floyd."

CK calls him a scumbag and then spews forth a bunch of bs to support his stance. (maybe racist?)

I would have to find the case to see if the woman was pregnant. I would suspect this case has been buried or sealed to keep as many facts from his supporters and critics as possible.



In August 2007, Floyd was arrested and charged with aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon. Investigators said he and five other men barged into a woman’s apartment, and Floyd pushed a pistol into her abdomen before searching for items to steal. Floyd pleaded guilty in 2009 and was sentenced to five years in prison. By the time he was paroled, in January 2013, he was nearing 40.

For George Floyd, a complicated life and a notorious death

HOUSTON (AP) — Years before a bystander’s video of George Floyd’s last moments turned his name into a global cry for justice, Floyd trained a camera on himself.

apnews.com

 

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[Rickyvol77]

BTW, I absolutely believe Derek to be in the work professionally and morally. To me, he killed Floyd

Floyd was dead as soon as he swallowed the bag of fentanyl. You can argue that Chauvin was wrong or too much force but if he had handcuffed Floyd and left him alone in the back of police car, the results would’ve been the exact same

 

[MOOOOONEY]

There have been thousands of such cases all over social media and in localities all over the country. Why do you think so many teachers and nurses have been losing their jobs?

You know Luther sees no evil hears no evil and talks no evil when it comes to liberals

 

[Rickyvol77]

You know Luther sees no evil hears no evil and talks no evil when it comes to liberals

he does play the “I’ve never heard of xyz schtick” a lot. I’ll never forget him saying he had never heard of Michael brown’s incident despite the lie of it being behind BLM and even Obama commenting on it for weeks lol

 

[RockyTop85]

And that's why from a legal standpoint it could not be allowed. Fentanyl is highly deadly. However, there is no way medically one can say or prove Floyd would have died that day, in that time frame, from fentanyl if the cop had not applied excessive or deadly force to the neck. Nor can one medically say the excessive force on the neck induced a fentanyl related death. Bottom line is the only thing left to argue factually was the cop stood on his neck and didn't back down when it was safe to do so. Perp died. Under the circumstances, I vote manslaughter for the cop, non-martyr for Floyd. You can't buckle an action to a possibility in a court room, even if it was Floyd and his his track record.

What could not be allowed from a legal standpoint?
His defense was allowed and did in fact argue that fentanyl and meth overdose was part of the cause of death. They put on their own independent medical examiner who opined that he died of cardiac arrest due to heart disease and drug use.
The state put on multiple medical experts who contradicted him.
That issue was canvassed very thoroughly at trial.

 

[McDad]

Floyd was dead as soon as he swallowed the bag of fentanyl. You can argue that Chauvin was wrong or too much force but if he had handcuffed Floyd and left him alone in the back of police car, the results would’ve been the exact same

Don't argue with your theory.

But seems to be easily prove able in a court.

 

[Orange_Crush]

They have lost political power and influence. This rhetoric is all they have.

 

[Orange_Crush]

he does play the “I’ve never heard of xyz schtick” a lot. I’ll never forget him saying he had never heard of Michael brown’s incident despite the lie of it being behind BLM and even Obama commenting on it for weeks lol

That's why he posts so confidently. Because he's horribly uninformed.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Don't argue with your theory.

But seems to be easily prove able in a court.

We'd need to see the transcripts. As highly as this was ratcheted, I could see a conviction based firmly on the "No LA Riots 2.0" factor alone.

 

[McDad]

We'd need to see the transcripts. As highly as this was ratcheted, I could see a conviction based firmly on the "No LA Riots 2.0" factor alone.

Again, I can understand anyone not trusting the ruling or the court system. But you'd have to believe the defense threw the case. Or there was corruption. Opening up a likely appeal.
Rocky posted about the case. He's a legal eagle. He'd be a good resource about the transcripts.

 

[Orangeslice13]

That politicians and people are all hypocrites and the left cheers while the right jeers and vice versa. There is no moral high ground.

That this is all purely partisan hackery. The right hated Floyd because the left embraced him, the left hated Kirk because the right embraced him. Anything else is people being dishonest with themselves and others.

I’m not sure that’s a fair comparison.
One was murdered by a cop while high on drugs and the other staged political debates where he let people speak and tried to convince them of his point of view.