Jefferey Epstein found dead in jail cell

[evillawyer]

assuming you meant mobster.

but yeah, also anyone they had done business with, legal or otherwise. any witnesses, or potential witnesses. any victims. anyone who really knew the suspect.

wouldn't the investigators talking to Trump, assuming he was part of the "crew", at least twice, and not finding anything about Trump to investigate further clear Trump even more?

This is Maxwell speculating. She knew about Epstein's conduct. She knew the police would probably cast a wide net and talk to all sorts of people, but WITHIN that net she decided to raise Trump's name and a few others. Would like to know why she thought those people were particularly germane.

 

[hog88]

This is Maxwell speculating. She knew about Epstein's conduct. She knew the police would probably cast a wide net and talk to all sorts of people, but WITHIN that net she decided to raise Trump's name and a few others. Would like to know why she thought those people were particularly germane.

Tells us why.

 

[evillawyer]

Tells us why.

Do you think I'm Maxwell?

Do you disagree with my line of reasoning? You're in a pickle and you want to know who the cops are talking too. Do you think you're going to mention someone who just casually knew you but had no knowledge of the conduct under investigation?

 

[LouderVol]

This is Maxwell speculating. She knew about Epstein's conduct. She knew the police would probably cast a wide net and talk to all sorts of people, but WITHIN that net she decided to raise Trump's name and a few others. Would like to know why she thought those people were particularly germane.

because that is all she knew about. or all she knew the investigators were going back to, so she was checking with Epstein to see if there was anything in particular they should be worried about with the investigators talking to them a second time. at least in that clipped response Epstein doesn't seem overly worried.

 

[hog88]

Do you think I'm Maxwell?

Do you disagree with my line of reasoning? You're in a pickle and you want to know who the cops are talking too. Do you think you're going to mention someone who just casually knew you but had no knowledge of the conduct under investigation?

If you read the article (which it's obvious you didn't) she was talking about Trump talking to reporters.

 

[Grand Vol]

The House committee GOP leadership said for some time that the documents would be released, but what is getting released is stuff they got from the Estate. The administration continues to block release of the DOJ documents, with Johnson and other GOP members now complicit in the cover up.

Here's the question...

What information is there that is so dark and troubling no political party wants to release it?

If there was damaging info about Trump (this alleged letter is so ****ing stupid I can't even believe I'm mentioning it) they damn well would have released it last year before the election when they knew he was going to win.

Trump, Patel, Bongino and Bondi were all about releasing the files coming into the election. Only to perform an abrupt about face on the matter... which looked very dumb, but anyway...

Huff and I were discussing this in the Kirk thread and this is the better place for such in depth discussions. But the question stands:

What's in those files that scares both political parties into silence? Because you damn well know either one would accept "collateral damage" if it meant hurting the other. So, something has to be in there so evil and dark and scary that neither wants to open that Pandora's Box.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Here's the question...

What information is there that is so dark and troubling no political party wants to release it?

If there was damaging info about Trump (this alleged letter is so ****ing stupid I can't even believe I'm mentioning it) they damn well would have released it last year before the election when they knew he was going to win.

Trump, Patel, Bongino and Bondi were all about releasing the files coming into the election. Only to perform an abrupt about face on the matter... which looked very dumb, but anyway...

Huff and I were discussing this in the Kirk thread and this is the better place for such in depth discussions. But the question stands:

What's in those files that scares both political parties into silence? Because you damn well know either one would accept "collateral damage" if it meant hurting the other. So, something has to be in there so evil and dark and scary that neither wants to open that Pandora's Box.

The legacy of Stephen Hawking must be preserved.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Here's the question...

What information is there that is so dark and troubling no political party wants to release it?

If there was damaging info about Trump (this alleged letter is so ****ing stupid I can't even believe I'm mentioning it) they damn well would have released it last year before the election when they knew he was going to win.

Trump, Patel, Bongino and Bondi were all about releasing the files coming into the election. Only to perform an abrupt about face on the matter... which looked very dumb, but anyway...

Huff and I were discussing this in the Kirk thread and this is the better place for such in depth discussions. But the question stands:

What's in those files that scares both political parties into silence? Because you damn well know either one would accept "collateral damage" if it meant hurting the other. So, something has to be in there so evil and dark and scary that neither wants to open that Pandora's Box.

I agree with all of this except the paragraph on Patel, Bongino and Bondi. It wasn't just coming in to election, but well after it too. Bongino even threatened to resign a few months ago over the abrupt about-face. Hell, they're not even talking about it anymore since Daddy called it a hoax

 

[Grand Vol]

The legacy of Stephen Hawking must be preserved.

I don't buy into the Mossad theory since I don't think Trump gives a damn and I feel like he can control Israel far better than his predecessor. Plus, Trump has been in the national public eye for what? 35-40 years? Maybe longer? You think there's something out there we haven't discovered yet that Mossad allegedly has on him that he couldn't get around?

No, there's something in those files that's scaring both sides into silence. And as I told Huff, the Epstein files will become the Gen X and Millenial "Kennedy Assassination" conspiracy that we can't let go. 50 years from now, we'll still be digging for info on it.

 

[Grand Vol]

I agree with all of this except the paragraph on Patel, Bongino and Bondi. It wasn't just coming in to election, but well after it too. Bongino even threatened to resign a few months ago over the abrupt about-face. Hell, they're not even talking about it anymore since Daddy called it a hoax

Okay, both coming into and after the election. Give me a little slack on the verbiage and timing.

Now, what made Dan change his mind?

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I don't buy into the Mossad theory since I don't think Trump gives a damn and I feel like he can control Israel far better than his predecessor. Plus, Trump has been in the national public eye for what? 35-40 years? Maybe longer? You think there's something out there we haven't discovered yet that Mossad allegedly has on him that he couldn't get around?

No, there's something in those files that's scaring both sides into silence. And as I told Huff, the Epstein files will become the Gen X and Millenial "Kennedy Assassination" conspiracy that we can't let go. 50 years from now, we'll still be digging for info on it.

It is really tough to say and thanks for tolerating the nonsense in the earlier post. My guess is that there is international pressure from other countries to keep those records from seeing the light of day and of course domestic influence.

 

[Grand Vol]

It is really tough to say and thanks for tolerating the nonsense in the earlier post. My guess is that there is international pressure from other countries to keep those records from seeing the light of day and of course domestic influence.

Do you think Trump cares about international opinion? Lol

He might even be happy to have dirt on some of them.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Okay, both coming into and after the election. Give me a little slack on the verbiage and timing.

Now, what made Dan change his mind?

Who knows, but your theory is extremely plausible. Bongino has almost disappeared after it. No doubt someone up the ladder outside of the DOJ got to him

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Do you think Trump cares about international opinion? Lol

He might even be happy to have dirt on some of them.

If it is people he cares about and wants to protect them.

 

[Grand Vol]

Who knows, but your theory is extremely plausible. Bongino has almost disappeared after it. No doubt someone up the ladder outside of the DOJ got to him

It's the only theory that makes sense over two vastly different Admins both with axes to grind on the other. Neither side wants to touch that plutonium. You know Trump is petty enough to drop that bomb on the Democrats and even on our allies.

The Democrats are petty enough to drop that bomb on Trump and the Republicans and damn hurting old man Clinton and Hillary at this point.

So, the real question isn't "why don't they release them?".

It's "what's in there that's so bad neither side wants to release them?".

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

It's the only theory that makes sense over two vastly different Admins both with axes to grind on the other. Neither side wants to touch that plutonium. You know Trump is petty enough to drop that bomb on the Democrats and even on our allies.

The Democrats are petty enough to drop that bomb on Trump and the Republicans and damn hurting old man Clinton and Hillary at this point.

So, the real question isn't "why don't they release them?".

It's "what's in there that's so bad neither side wants to release them?".

I agree

 

[LouderVol]

It's the only theory that makes sense over two vastly different Admins both with axes to grind on the other. Neither side wants to touch that plutonium. You know Trump is petty enough to drop that bomb on the Democrats and even on our allies.

The Democrats are petty enough to drop that bomb on Trump and the Republicans and damn hurting old man Clinton and Hillary at this point.

So, the real question isn't "why don't they release them?".

It's "what's in there that's so bad neither side wants to release them?".

I don't know its the information itself is so important or damning, its really the control of the information that matters. Its too powerful of a tool to throw away.

Could show how a bunch of different governments were working with Mossad and a bunch of intelligence assets are tied to it.
could be key to show how elections are manipulated or controlled.
could be the pedo ring runs far deeper.
could be a manchurian candidate both sides are hiding.
could be one big money guy/group pulling the strings.
it doesn't have to be weaponized to the point of taking down EVERYTHING, but if there is enough, it doesn't need to be everything.

could just be a man behind the curtain moment, they aren't all that powerful. kinda like the one episode of south park where the government created the conspiracies to make us think they are really in control when it was just random. all the "leaks" are lies to make them seem powerful/competent.

could show how a lot of the divisions that we think exist, don't really exist behind the scenes. uniparty vs two parties, China and Russia aren't all that evil.

maybe its some 1984 double-speak, the truth is what the government wants it to be.

Could be some coverup with something else entirely, think of Fauci's emails talking about how 6' doesn't work, masks don't work, the vaccines aren't proven. that but on national/international scale.

 

[whodeycin85]

I don't know its the information itself is so important or damning, its really the control of the information that matters. Its too powerful of a tool to throw away.

Could show how a bunch of different governments were working with Mossad and a bunch of intelligence assets are tied to it.
could be key to show how elections are manipulated or controlled.
could be the pedo ring runs far deeper.
could be a manchurian candidate both sides are hiding.
could be one big money guy/group pulling the strings.
it doesn't have to be weaponized to the point of taking down EVERYTHING, but if there is enough, it doesn't need to be everything.

could just be a man behind the curtain moment, they aren't all that powerful. kinda like the one episode of south park where the government created the conspiracies to make us think they are really in control when it was just random. all the "leaks" are lies to make them seem powerful/competent.

could show how a lot of the divisions that we think exist, don't really exist behind the scenes. uniparty vs two parties, China and Russia aren't all that evil.

maybe its some 1984 double-speak, the truth is what the government wants it to be.

Could be some coverup with something else entirely, think of Fauci's emails talking about how 6' doesn't work, masks don't work, the vaccines aren't proven. that but on national/international scale.

I'm leaning towards a certain tech bro who is known on the flight logs..is holding the US hostage due to thier involvement in all government systems and network systems. And therefore all of our secrets could be exposed to US enemies if the files are released.

 

[LouderVol]

I'm leaning towards a certain tech bro who is known on the flight logs..is holding the US hostage due to thier involvement in all government systems and network systems. And therefore all of our secrets could be exposed to US enemies if the files are released.

at some point I am in a "burn it all down" mindset. if it was built on the backs of some pedo ring, it needs to come down. if we can't survive without the pedos, then we probably don't deserve to.

 

[whodeycin85]

at some point I am in a "burn it all down" mindset. if it was built on the backs of some pedo ring, it needs to come down. if we can't survive without the pedos, then we probably don't deserve to.

I believe in this you am I are on the same page. At this point there's to much gov corruption, corporate influence, and to large a divide between left and right...and while the middle 20 is what decides elections...when you can't agree to objective truths then there is no room for reconciliation...I'd say burn it down and the winner remake the US how they want

 

[LouderVol]

I believe in this you am I are on the same page. At this point there's to much gov corruption, corporate influence, and to large a divide between left and right...and while the middle 20 is what decides elections...when you can't agree to objective truths then there is no room for reconciliation...I'd say burn it down and the winner remake the US how they want

I don't think the divide for the middle 60 is that big. the divide amongst the two extremes is the problem because the two parties play on that.

constantly saying if you don't vote for my most radical thing that means you want the other team to win. its crap.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Bill Barr Transcript Flies In Face Of Democrat Claims on Epstein-Trump Connection​

Ex-Attorney General Bill Barr said he believed any negative links between Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein would have leaked​

FIRST ON FOX: The House Oversight Committee on Tuesday released a roughly 120-page transcript of former Attorney General Bill Barr’s deposition, and it appears to affirm Republicans’ claims that the former Department of Justice (DOJ) official had no knowledge of any incriminating ties between President Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein.

That’s despite the top Democrat on the committee claiming last month that the full transcript did not clear Trump of wrongdoing.

Barr later told investigators that he believed any incriminating evidence about Trump would have leaked if it existed, and he suggested the same would have been true of former President Bill Clinton, who, like Trump, was also known to be friendly with Epstein at one point.

Bill Barr transcript flies in face of Democrat claims on Epstein-Trump connection

Former Attorney General Bill Barr told House Oversight he never saw evidence linking President Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein, according to a newly released transcript.

www.foxnews.com

 

[lawgator1]

Bill Barr Transcript Flies In Face Of Democrat Claims on Epstein-Trump Connection​

Ex-Attorney General Bill Barr said he believed any negative links between Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein would have leaked​

FIRST ON FOX: The House Oversight Committee on Tuesday released a roughly 120-page transcript of former Attorney General Bill Barr’s deposition, and it appears to affirm Republicans’ claims that the former Department of Justice (DOJ) official had no knowledge of any incriminating ties between President Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein.

That’s despite the top Democrat on the committee claiming last month that the full transcript did not clear Trump of wrongdoing.

Barr later told investigators that he believed any incriminating evidence about Trump would have leaked if it existed, and he suggested the same would have been true of former President Bill Clinton, who, like Trump, was also known to be friendly with Epstein at one point.

Bill Barr transcript flies in face of Democrat claims on Epstein-Trump connection

Former Attorney General Bill Barr told House Oversight he never saw evidence linking President Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein, according to a newly released transcript.

www.foxnews.com

Barr tries to tamp down suspicions of Trump? No way.

 

[lawgator1]

Did anybody else pick up on the latest trial balloon by the Trump administration to dodge the release of all Epstein files, even if they include Trump?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fbi-chief-patel-says-no-credible-information-others-involved-epstein-crimes-2025-09-16/

Patel says there is no "credible evidence" others involved. But he doesnt define "credible evidence." That phrase was chosen on purpose. It adds a qualifier, which is intentionally vague and creates an excuse for Trump.

Its very similar to Trump's own fake dodge earlier, which was that all "pertinent" files will be released.

The saga of Trump and his minions evading the truth continues ..

 

[volfanhill]

Did anybody else pick up on the latest trial balloon by the Trump administration to dodge the release of all Epstein files, even if they include Trump?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fbi-chief-patel-says-no-credible-information-others-involved-epstein-crimes-2025-09-16/

Patel says there is no "credible evidence" others involved. But he doesnt define "credible evidence." That phrase was chosen on purpose. It adds a qualifier, which is intentionally vague and creates an excuse for Trump.

Its very similar to Trump's own fake dodge earlier, which was that all "pertinent" files will be released.

The saga of Trump and his minions evading the truth continues ..

Are you so dumb that you think the Biden DOJ wouldn't have burned Trump down? It's so silly