Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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lawgator1 said:
Your points go full circle: you ascribe the actions of one person to 100 million people. And you rely on the "celebration" of Kirk's shooting to paint with a broad brush and do EXACTLY what you say thr left is doing. Which it to demonize conservatives. You just do it in reverse.

You must also distinguish between truly celebrating, i.e. being happy this happened, versus people saying that the killing is condemnable but that given some of Kirk's comments over the last few years its not surprising that this happened.

Doesn't mean he "deserved" it, but does mean that if you say enough extreme things, and if you make a living by antagonizing people, eventually you will see a reaction.
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Millions are celebrating it, teachers, professors, doctors, surgeons, nurses, firemen. If they're not celebrating they're justifying it. "I CONDEMN ANY AND ALL POLITICAL VIOLENCE, BUT...." means you are justify it. It's your party, it's your people.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I don’t groom my children to do anything except be decent, successful people… so I don’t know who you’re talking to.

Also, does this mean children should be kept out of church until they aren’t adults, so they aren’t groomed by the church?
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I never stated or assumed you were.

It’s not directed at you or really anyone here specifically.

You can’t seriously compare an alternative lifestyle choice and gender identity to going to church with family and being raised with Christian principles.
 
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n_huffhines said:
No, I'm defending all people whose position is confused. I didn't think you singled me out. I am making sure all people understand what is meant by far-right groyper. They hate MAGA
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Until this weekend, I had never heard of that group.
 
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Matt2496 said:
I definitely agree that social media has played a huge role in this. It's a slippery slope with all sorts of privacy concerns and issues (thought crimes for example) if the government/Meta/X/etc. were to actually regulate it. There is no easy answer to this.
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Problem is sm gave fringe opinions a place to gather..instead of being outted and rejected by society...and those ideals which were deems bad then are now idolized by the likes of our local lefties here as badges for social media justice points
 
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apevol said:
ive been in a relationship with a woman with thyroid problems and the hormone swings are almost untenable. Doing that on purpose is madness

The conversation cannot be one sided though. Trans people are certainly at risk of violence themselves and the conversation cant be "trans people are evil" and everyone has to accept it
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Cross dressing and transexuals were accepted years ago....the problem is them being coming radicalized and needing to groom children and shove it in everyone faces
 
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lawgator1 said:
Your points go full circle: you ascribe the actions of one person to 100 million people. And you rely on the "celebration" of Kirk's shooting to paint with a broad brush and do EXACTLY what you say thr left is doing. Which it to demonize conservatives. You just do it in reverse.

You must also distinguish between truly celebrating, i.e. being happy this happened, versus people saying that the killing is condemnable but that given some of Kirk's comments over the last few years its not surprising that this happened.

Doesn't mean he "deserved" it, but does mean that if you say enough extreme things, and if you make a living by antagonizing people, eventually you will see a reaction.
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At what point does the reaction have to be so disparate to the action that we collectively condemn it with no BUT at the end of the statement? Murder for speech that makes no clear and overt call for violence should probably be that point.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Your points go full circle: you ascribe the actions of one person to 100 million people. And you rely on the "celebration" of Kirk's shooting to paint with a broad brush and do EXACTLY what you say thr left is doing. Which it to demonize conservatives. You just do it in reverse.

You must also distinguish between truly celebrating, i.e. being happy this happened, versus people saying that the killing is condemnable but that given some of Kirk's comments over the last few years its not surprising that this happened.

Doesn't mean he "deserved" it, but does mean that if you say enough extreme things, and if you make a living by antagonizing people, eventually you will see a reaction.
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It's pretty plain that the modern democratic party refuses to distance itself from the fringe radical tail that now seems to be wagging the dog. They are so afraid of being primaried and endangering their own personal political careers that they are trying to pacify the fringe among themselves. We've had riots for nearly a decade. Antifa and BLM sowing chaos. Locking police officers into police stations and trying to set it on fire. That's attempted murder against law enforcement.

And the party itself and their media mouthpieces run cover.

I don't think everyone in the democratic party is radical fringe, but it appears that few are courageous enough to do the hard and potentially politically dangerous work of deplatforming them and cleaning up their party.

I'll say what I have been saying for some time. I've desperately hoped the democratic party would develop the heart to clean themselves out and become a valid option against the republicans. I fear a one-party system more than a mere two-party system, by orders of magnitude. But I have lost hope. It is too late. Even if every democrat today developed a backbone and cleaned the party out, I suspect it's so weakened and stained to the public that it will never recover.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Cross dressing and transexuals were accepted years ago....the problem is them being coming radicalized and needing to groom children and shove it in everyone faces
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When and where have you had it shoved in your face? I have traveled extensively here in the U.S. and abroad and have never had it shoved in my face. Then again, I'm not frequenting places where it would likely occur regularly either

Just wondered
 
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NCFisher said:
Remember that group well. Maybe 50ish congregants at a given time and had no currency among any denominations, Baptist included. And that's the point.

Doesn't bother me an iota if a white nationalist person or group tries to leech into an association with the GOP. Because they have no agency in the party or mainstream conservative media.

That's what's changed in the Democrat party over the last three decades and jumped the express train in just the last 15 years. It is a party so leveraged with the radical left it has nurtured, they can't survive elections without it. The radical left knows and feeling their oats, openly run as socialists, not progressives and 'liberals'. They are openly provided cover by the party for constant mob violence. And to be precise, the radical left are anarcho/commie/socialist types - I umbrella under 'Marxist' - that mean to remake the country in that image, and as violently as necessary to destroy the republic.

No, it doesn't mean every Democrat is a Marxist but they do have to be called to account for what the party has become, and still trending to.
That's what I see in my lifetime.
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If you believe that the left is too far left, I can see that as a justifiable position, but if you don’t think the right has gone too far right, then we do not believe the same things, because they have, and all you have to do is compare Republican platforms from the 80s-90s to the platforms of today… and the leading contributor to both ends of the spectrum becoming more radicalized is the prevalence of opinion news media as well as social media. People now longer consume unbiased information, it’s all biased.
 
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ETV said:
I never stated or assumed you were.

It’s not directed at you or really anyone here specifically.

You can’t seriously compare an alternative lifestyle choice and gender identity to going to church with family and being raised with Christian principles.
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I think organized monotheistic religion has been the scourge of civilization for 100s of years, holding society back in many ways. So why wouldn’t I compare?
 
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OHvol40 said:
If you believe that the left is too far left, I can see that as a justifiable position, but if you don’t think the right has gone too far right, then we do not believe the same things, because they have, and all you have to do is compare Republican platforms from the 80s-90s to the platforms of today… and the leading contributor to both ends of the spectrum becoming more radicalized is the prevalence of opinion news media as well as social media. People now longer consume unbiased information, it’s all biased
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Both parties have moved farther left and farther right
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
This is what you get when you have a bunch of unqualified and incompetent morons running a country. Catering only to their loyalists
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I would like for you to take a moment and think about your position.

Military personnel take an oath to support and defend the constitution of The United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Charlie Kirk was assassinates for practicing his first amendment right.

How is going on social media and mocking or justifying an assassination for practicing a constitutional protected right align with the core values of your oath?

If they didn’t want that responsibility then they should have never enlisted.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
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This is the death throes of the Democrat party, I fear. They have lost political power, political influence and influence with the majority of the American public due to their refusal or inability to distance themselves from the far-left fringe. It doesn't resonate with the majority of Americans who are actually pretty moderate.

When you have an appetite for power and have lost the means of retaining and gaining it, you have to rely on "take it by force" rhetoric to the few radical followers you've held onto.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
I would like for you to take a moment and think about your position.

Military personnel take an oath to support and defend the constitution of The United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Charlie Kirk was assassinates for practicing his first amendment right.

How is going on social media and mocking or justifying an assassination for practicing a constitutional protected right align with the core values of your oath?

If they didn’t want that responsibility then they should have never enlisted.
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I know about the responsibilities of military personnel. You're exactly right about that. My point was: has this effort to scrutinize SM been done for other politically based violent attacks?
 
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Orangeburst said:
yea..basically a 1995 Dem party platform is extreme right..lmao.
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Bill Clinton would have been impeached by today's Democrat party.

However, the republicans have been a party of neocon RINO liars until Trump came in and exposed them, so he probably has a point. We've basically had a deep state single-party system that feigns disagreements just enough to keep the voters arguing and passionately flocking to the voting booths.

He's right. The right has moved back to the right. (But that doesn't mean it's gone fringe right by and large.)

The left had it great for a while. It's understandable to see them mourning the sight of its dismantling.
 
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