Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

[LadyVolette]

ive been in a relationship with a woman with thyroid problems and the hormone swings are almost untenable. Doing that on purpose is madness

The conversation cannot be one sided though. Trans people are certainly at risk of violence themselves and the conversation cant be "trans people are evil" and everyone has to accept it

I wonder if the age at which transitions happens has anything to do with it ie Kaitlin Jenner/Bruce was over 50 when started taking hormones and by most perspectives did not flip out lol… It is well known that men’s testosterone levels begin declining after 30 and sort of flatline without help around 40… which is when men tend to soften a little and have less aggression.. the hormone surges of someone of a greater age would in theory not be so abrupt and maybe that is something that needs to be investigated.. anyone who has spent time with a perimenopausal woman can testify lol.. and that is child’s play compared to what is going on with these young people

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Good Grief. What kind of a drunk democrat moron talks this way who loves folks?

 

[apevol]

I agree but I think we still need to be careful about jumping to conclusions here.

It was originally reported that the shooter is trans and hard left, but that was retracted. That the roommate was a trans partner has so far only been reported by Fox News/NYP, and the FBI refused to comment on the report.

Thats the thing. If this dude was dating a transgender person its gonna go too far. If he wasn't, these conversations wont happen at all

 

[InVOLuntary]

I know people with PhDs in biology who think its completely insane

I admit my own opinions are clouded by experiences interacting with transexuals. None of those experiences were pleasant but I think most everybody here who knows me can tell you I'm a fairly open minded easy to get along with kind of guy

I apologize for painting you into a corner. It wasn't my intention. But a some point, we need to call it for what it is. The democratic party has been hijacked by left wing nut jobs. Many mainstream dems are either turning a blind eye to it, refusing to acknowledge it, or are leaving it. I think many are willing to accept it because of their sheer hatred of Trump. If it continues, the democratic party will be solely made up of those nutcases.

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

I think there has been some speculation on how they knew where he was going to be as it apparently wasn’t announced.

I was curious about that. Needs to be investigated.

 

[NCFisher]

Sure, any group can be exclusionary and radicalized. Specifically in America during my lifetime it feels like there is a constant need for vigilance against intrusive Christian movements more than any other group, though.

I remember living in Johnson City maybe 15 years ago or so and the nut job church from Kansas (westboro Baptist maybe?) invaded town to protest a soldier’s funeral. Was so disgusted, I’ll never forget it.

Remember that group well. Maybe 50ish congregants at a given time and had no currency among any denominations, Baptist included. And that's the point.

Doesn't bother me an iota if a white nationalist person or group tries to leech into an association with the GOP. Because they have no agency in the party or mainstream conservative media.

That's what's changed in the Democrat party over the last three decades and jumped the express train in just the last 15 years. It is a party so leveraged with the radical left it has nurtured, they can't survive elections without it. The radical left knows and feeling their oats, openly run as socialists, not progressives and 'liberals'. They are openly provided cover by the party for constant mob violence. And to be precise, the radical left are anarcho/commie/socialist types - I umbrella under 'Marxist' - that mean to remake the country in that image, and as violently as necessary to destroy the republic.

No, it doesn't mean every Democrat is a Marxist but they do have to be called to account for what the party has become, and still trending to.
That's what I see in my lifetime.

 

[apevol]

I apologize for painting you into a corner. It wasn't my intention. But a some point, we need to call it for what it is. The democratic party has been hijacked by left wing nut jobs. Many mainstream dems are either turning a blind eye to it, refusing to acknowledge it, or are leaving it. I think many are willing to accept it because of their sheer hatred of Trump. If it continues, the democratic party will be solely made up of those nutcases.

Everyone in the DNC is terrified of saying anything that is deemed unacceptable by the fringe of their party. They lost arab americans because they won't say anything lgbtq doesn't condone

 

[C-south]

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Awesome

 

[Orange_Crush]

ive been in a relationship with a woman with thyroid problems and the hormone swings are almost untenable. Doing that on purpose is madness

The conversation cannot be one sided though. Trans people are certainly at risk of violence themselves and the conversation cant be "trans people are evil" and everyone has to accept it

This is Orange_Crush. lolol

I'm genuinely asking, is the conversation really all that one-sided? Are there really 100s of 1000s of people out there looking for a reason to harm trans people? If so, that is so alien to me and my circle.

I/we have the perception: Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Is it most helpful to affirm the delusion, or to treat it as a mental illness? (Would I be helping an anorexic to affirm their starvation? Maybe given them a lap band while we're at it?) It is possible to disagree with someone and refuse to participate in their delusion BECAUSE we love them and want the best for them?

On the subject of discussing trans violence. If transgenderism is a mental illness, then that means that the trans community is basically, by definition a community of mentally ill people. Does it follow that feeding irrational hate and violence into a mentally ill community can create crazy, irrational, hate-filled violence from a portion of that community?

(I realize that doing so can cause hate-violence from any community and respond that that's just ONE more reason to shine a light on it in ANY of its various forms. But for the sake of argument, is it safe to assume there is greater chance, the greater % of mental illness in a community?)

If that be the case, is it a service to the trans community or society at large to refuse to attribute the hate-filled violence and radicalizing culture to those doing it?


I had a thought a few minutes ago. If the kid had been a far-right white nationalist, I would have wanted that to be exposed because I don't want far right white nationalists getting off the hook for this. Because I hate extremist hate and violence. Period. No matter its logo or underlying political bend.

Pointedly, I would not have been defensive at all about him being a far-right white nationalist because I am not a far-right white nationalist, nor do I affiliate with them, nor do I identify with them. It would be odd in the extreme to get defensive about that possibility--especially enough to start diverting attention and gaslighting about it.

I find it incredibly odd and alien to think that there are those in the media and in this threat that might get defensive enough about far-left-extreme-murder-violence-hate to think, "Yah. That would be too close for comfort. Let's blame it on someone else."

Why the need? Why self-identify with that in ANY WAY? And if you truly do hate extremist hate and murder in any form, why work so hard to give one side a pass by trying so hard to pin it on someone else?

 

[LadyVolette]

That's not what groypers are

What in the heck is that? lmao..It made me think Mr. Roper from Three’s Company… Come and knock on our door…

 

[C-south]

Wrong on all counts. This is ********. I'm not even left wing. I am a libertarian who "demonizes" both sides for advocating for state-sponsored political violence. I've been killing Biden and Kamala with criticisms all year, and they're not even in power right now.

What should my priority concern be after condemning the political violence? I'm just waiting for the truth and hoping tensions calm. Somehow you spun this into a negative, lol.

You are a left wing nut.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Here we go. Democrat moron Crockett is calling for a civil war w/Republicans.

This is becoming the modern democratic party.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[LadyVolette]

This is Orange_Crush. lolol

I'm genuinely asking, is the conversation really all that one-sided? Are there really 100s of 1000s of people out there looking for a reason to harm trans people? If so, that is so alien to me and my circle.

I/we have the perception: Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Is it most helpful to affirm the delusion, or to treat it as a mental illness? (Would I be helping an anorexic to affirm their starvation? Maybe given them a lap band while we're at it?) It is possible to disagree with someone and refuse to participate in their delusion BECAUSE we love them and want the best for them?

On the subject of discussing trans violence. If transgenderism is a mental illness, then that means that the trans community is basically, by definition a community of mentally ill people. Does it follow that feeding irrational hate and violence into a mentally ill community can create crazy, irrational, hate-filled violence from a portion of that community?

(I realize that doing so can cause hate-violence from any community and respond that that's just ONE more reason to shine a light on it in ANY of its various forms. But for the sake of argument, is it safe to assume there is greater chance, the greater % of mental illness in a community?)

If that be the case, is it a service to the trans community or society at large to refuse to attribute the hate-filled violence and radicalizing culture to those doing it?


I had a thought a few minutes ago. If the kid had been a far-right white nationalist, I would have wanted that to be exposed because I don't want far right white nationalists getting off the hook for this. Because I hate extremist hate and violence. Period. No matter its logo or underlying political bend.

Pointedly, I would not have been defensive at all about him being a far-right white nationalist because I am not a far-right white nationalist, nor do I affiliate with them, nor do I identify with them. It would be odd in the extreme to get defensive about that possibility--especially enough to start diverting attention and gaslighting about it.

I find it incredibly odd and alien to think that there are those in the media and in this threat that might get defensive enough about far-left-extreme-murder-violence-hate to think, "Yah. That would be too close for comfort. Let's blame it on someone else."

Why the need? Why self-identify with that in ANY WAY? And if you truly do hate extremist hate and murder in any form, why work so hard to give one side a pass by trying so hard to pin it on someone else?

Doubtful.. I am thinking it’s the lack of a full on embrace of it, imagined or perceive slights, and the think it will make them happy.. which that’s not going to fix things if your mind and soul are a wreck.. it will even make it worse.. they aren’t going to suddenly get dates with straight men/women, or the majority of other gay people don’t want to date them either.. instead if sugarcoating things, people need to have some frank and honest discussions with them.. that is not hate.. women who get boob jobs (I’ve had one, I should know).. it’s you, with bigger boobs

 

[Orange_Crush]

Everyone in the DNC is terrified of saying anything that is deemed unacceptable by the fringe of their party. They lost arab americans because they won't say anything lgbtq doesn't condone

Sounds like they are putting the best interest of the country first. No wonder their power, influence and numbers are growing.

 

[apevol]

This is Orange_Crush. lolol

I'm genuinely asking, is the conversation really all that one-sided? Are there really 100s of 1000s of people out there looking for a reason to harm trans people? If so, that is so alien to me and my circle.

I/we have the perception: Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Is it most helpful to affirm the delusion, or to treat it as a mental illness? (Would I be helping an anorexic to affirm their starvation? Maybe given them a lap band while we're at it?) It is possible to disagree with someone and refuse to participate in their delusion BECAUSE we love them and want the best for them?

On the subject of discussing trans violence. If transgenderism is a mental illness, then that means that the trans community is basically, by definition a community of mentally ill people. Does it follow that feeding irrational hate and violence into a mentally ill community can create crazy, irrational, hate-filled violence from a portion of that community?

(I realize that doing so can cause hate-violence from any community and respond that that's just ONE more reason to shine a light on it in ANY of its various forms. But for the sake of argument, is it safe to assume there is greater chance, the greater % of mental illness in a community?)

If that be the case, is it a service to the trans community or society at large to refuse to attribute the hate-filled violence and radicalizing culture to those doing it?


I had a thought a few minutes ago. If the kid had been a far-right white nationalist, I would have wanted that to be exposed because I don't want far right white nationalists getting off the hook for this. Because I hate extremist hate and violence. Period. No matter its logo or underlying political bend.

Pointedly, I would not have been defensive at all about him being a far-right white nationalist because I am not a far-right white nationalist, nor do I affiliate with them, nor do I identify with them. It would be odd in the extreme to get defensive about that possibility--especially enough to start diverting attention and gaslighting about it.

I find it incredibly odd and alien to think that there are those in the media and in this threat that might get defensive enough about far-left-extreme-murder-violence-hate to think, "Yah. That would be too close for comfort. Let's blame it on someone else."

Why the need? Why self-identify with that in ANY WAY? And if you truly do hate extremist hate and murder in any form, why work so hard to give one side a pass by trying so hard to pin it on someone else?

trollin me! lol

yes, transgender people are frequent targets of violence. some of it partners, some of it their own family.

I think its important to highlight violence coming from any community and we should all be a little more open to keeping our sheds clean

 

[Zues1]

Pete = empty suit

 

[Orange_Crush]

My heart absolutely BREAKS for the shooter, and his family. That doesn't take away from my anger, nor my heartbreak for Charlie and his family.

My heart BREAKS for Tyler Robinson, and it has since they released his photo and he became a real, actual person. Do you know why? Because when I saw and see him, I see my son. I think how heart-broken I would be if his life were destroyed like this. If he'd gone from a hopeful guy reading a letter about getting a scholarship for college, to being radicalized and becoming a murderer staring down a potential death penalty.

I remember when my son read his acceptance letter to college and we discussed the scholarships he was receiving as they came rolling in.

I cry for that kid and his family because it could be my kid.

So if a right-wing hate group radicalized Tyler, I want them exposed and I want every legal, constitutional avenue available brough against them to end them. Permanently.

If a left-wing hate group radicalized Tyler, I want them exposed and I want every legal, constitutional avenue available brough against them to end them. Permanently.

If you so identify with a hate-group from either side that you would work to try to get the spot-light off of them when something like this happens, then you are a **** person and a danger to every son and daughter we send into the world. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[Vol8188]

I agree but I think we still need to be careful about jumping to conclusions here.

It was originally reported that the shooter is trans and hard left, but that was retracted. That the roommate was a trans partner has so far only been reported by Fox News/NYP, and the FBI refused to comment on the report.

I never saw the original report you’re referencing

 

[Orange_Crush]

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

These folks on CBS Morning are still living in LaLa Land of rainbows & unicorns.

 

[whodeycin85]

is the GOP one person? who?

is matthew Shepherd still burning in hell? is that site up?

the dnc definitely needs to purge itself of anyone celebrating this murder and I agree they haven't distanced themselves enough

When I saw you..mean the majority..

 

[lawgator1]

But he is. If folks weren't trying their damnest to make it something other than it is but call it what it is, another deranged far left member of the LGBTQ+ community, the community the left has championed, it wouldn’t be an issue. Plus, if left's media hadn't hadn't pushed the DNC's propaganda of people on the right being racist, fascist, nazis, homophobes, etc... things might be different. Millions of people are openly celebrating his assassination. These are people teaching our children and young adults. These are people that are taking care of our sick. These are people cooking our food. This is the modern day leftist democratic party, so yes he's one of yours.

It's really crazy to me how different America is now compared to even 20 years ago. If this had happened 20 years ago, we would all be united together in solidarity against political violence. Today, I see numerous posts by leftists celebrating, condoning, glorifying, and even calling for more violence against Conservatives/Right-wingers.

Everyone should be asking how we got to this point and what must be done to reverse this trend. Unfortunately, and I hope I'm wrong, I think the country is too far gone. No one in leadership wants to make the changes necessary to meaningfully fix the issues this country is facing. Why? They win votes off of this division. So don't expect any meaningful change.

Your points go full circle: you ascribe the actions of one person to 100 million people. And you rely on the "celebration" of Kirk's shooting to paint with a broad brush and do EXACTLY what you say thr left is doing. Which it to demonize conservatives. You just do it in reverse.

You must also distinguish between truly celebrating, i.e. being happy this happened, versus people saying that the killing is condemnable but that given some of Kirk's comments over the last few years its not surprising that this happened.

Doesn't mean he "deserved" it, but does mean that if you say enough extreme things, and if you make a living by antagonizing people, eventually you will see a reaction.