Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

[Vol8188]

We have entirely different professional backgrounds. Yes, it is absolutely something for which we can disagree.

He made a factual statement. There’s nothing to disagree with

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

So... still haven't come up with a good idea on why he's incompetent except for the fact he was nominated by Trump?

That's not my premise, smartass

 

[85SugarVol]

I watched the video.

Doesn’t match.

 

[Grand Vol]

Not everybody wants their business out there, and it takes a lot of courage and resolve to face the public on something like this. Maybe the young ladies get older, more mature, more brave, maybe hearing more about other victims weighed on them, and the fact that Epstein victims have increasing public support over the last few years can explain a completely not-strange reason for coming out now.

People say what you're saying all the time whenever they are trying to discredit someone who is claiming victim....as if it's some mystery that women wouldn't want to go public with their horror stories. If this is so strange to you, do you understand women at all? ; )

Also, one of these ladies was a key witness in 2019.

Not in the least actually. I'm a firm believer that I could give a rats ass what system falls or who is implicated. We've had enough of this stringing along. But I'm afraid it's likely going to become the Gen X and Millenial "JFK assassination" type of thing where we're still digging around 50 years later for evidence like the Boomers were. (Some still are)

But again, I have this feeling the truth hasn't come out because of something so dark and frightening, it can't come out. Because the same is true of Trump. If he had dirt on his opponents, what reason would he have for suppressing it?

 

[GVF]

If both meet the minimum qualifications and on has more experience, wouldn't you think the one with more experience is more qualified? Especially if that experience includes military flights in hostile air space?

I don't disagree. It's just that in my mfg background we were ingrained with Q or NotQ. Not more or less. I never fully understood, cause in reality you can have 2Q, and the one with more or better experience doesn't render the other NotQ.

 

[Matt2496]

This event underscores the importance of "touching grass" so to speak. It appears that COVID is at least one of the catalysts for a lot of the issues we are seeing today. Why? People, especially the younger generations, simply aren't associating with each other like they used to. People are spending too much time online in their own "safe spaces", inundated with only 1 political viewpoint. Therefore, many have lost the ability to see more than someone's political view or to even find common ground. The assassin is 22 years old, therefore he would have been 17-18 years old when COVID struck and lockdown isolation occurred. In my opinion, these are some of the most important years of someone's life.

Human interaction, socialization, friendship, etc are some of the most basic human needs. Yet often times these needs are not being met currently, causing people to resort to online discussions and interaction as a substitute. Social Media is simply not a substitute for real, face-to-face human interaction.

That said, social media in moderation and in conjunction with real friendship is fine. Taken to the extreme though, it can lead to radicalization.

There are other factors too obviously, but just thought I would mention one that hasn't really been talked about much.

 

[GVF]

I am not pretending. We can just agree to disagree

That would be prematurely solving our problems if you both agree to that.

 

[n_huffhines]

Well... known and successful prosecutor.

Knows how federal departments run from his time as Chief of Staff to the SecDef.

Also Deputy Director for Rich Grennell.

So, knows or has learned how to run departments. Knows criminal justice. And could be considered an outsider for the purposes of that Agency.

He also has good oversight from a highly successful State Attorney General that's now US Attorney General. Regardless of what the left thinks and says, Pam Bondi has had a successful career spanning a couple of decades.

Now, I know you're dying for me to ask why you think he's not competent, so, here's your chance...

Why isn't he competent?

So was Kamala.

Having experience doesn't make you competent, especially in government. Also, basically every head of the FBI has experience managing large law enforcement organizations, and pretty sure he doesn't even have experience in law enforcement, so not sure that is the resume you think it is.

The Epstein thing. The recent interview with Rogan did not instill confidence.

Him live tweeting bad info about the assassination on Tuesday was extremely stupid.

I don't have a strong opinion of him, but I have seen nothing from him that makes me think he's on top of anything.

 

[DC_Vol]

Dude……we are ALL abominations to a God who is indescribably Holy. I am not angry with you but you just don’t get it.
Saul (later Paul) literally help round up and murder Christian. He continues late into life the call himself the chiefest of sinners. I think he would agree with the label „abomination“ without any argument whatsoever.
The problem with the trans movement is that is seeks to relabel sin as normal. And once you convince yourself that you aren’t sinful; you are going to have a hard time repenting. That is the road to Hell and that is why Christians try to help people see the truth.

On our best days we are but a pile of filthy rags in the eyes of the holy God.

 

[StarRaider]

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

He made a factual statement. There’s nothing to disagree with

That's not my point. Yes, they had a suspect in custody, but was he the guy? In such a highly sensitive situation with a tragic assassination, there isn't a need to stir the public without certainty. His identity was leaked too.

So yes, we can absolutely disagree, but hey I guess it was important that a nurse in East Texas knew they had a suspect

 

[Grand Vol]

So was Kamala.

That's debatable... even Google AI is split on whether she was good or bad.

 

[Volnanza]

White, black, GOP, Dem .... its more a generational issue to me than anything else. Young people now face such uncertain futures. The paths we all had just aren't as realistic as they were just 20 years ago. I feel for the 18 to 30 year olds now. No solid, known, way to have a life and succeed.

A big part of the problem is all the fake paths that have been created. Get a degree in some made up topic like diversity studies and then expect to be able to support yourself?

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I don't disagree. It's just that in my mfg background we were ingrained with Q or NotQ. Not more or less. I never fully understood, cause in reality you can have 2Q, and the one with more or better experience doesn't render the other NotQ.

Oh, I totally understand your perspective as I have a mfg background myself

 

[lawgator1]

This event underscores the importance of "touching grass" so to speak. It appears that COVID is at least one of the catalysts for a lot of the issues we are seeing today. Why? People, especially the younger generations, simply aren't associating with each other like they used to. People are spending too much time online in their own "safe spaces", inundated with only 1 political viewpoint. Therefore, many have lost the ability to see more than someone's political view or to even find common ground. The assassin is 22 years old, therefore he would have been 17-18 years old when COVID struck and lockdown isolation occurred. In my opinion, these are some of the most important years of someone's life.

Human interaction, socialization, friendship, etc are some of the most basic human needs. Yet often times these needs are not being met currently, causing people to resort to online discussions and interaction as a substitute. Social Media is simply not a substitute for real, face-to-face human interaction.

That said, social media in moderation and in conjunction with real friendship is fine. Taken to the extreme though, it can lead to radicalization.

There are other factors too obviously, but just thought I would mention one that hasn't really been talked about much.

Covid is/was part of it. Much bigger problem is kids only socialize on line now. Their "friends" play video games with them.

 

[evillawyer]

Let’s assume he was greatly upset. If someone you cared about was greatly upset over a tragedy. Would you tell them to stay home and cry all day or to go out to a baseball guy to try to get it off their mind?

Your “gotcha” attempts become more retarded by the second

If I had just lost a close friend to an assassination and was in mourning, I can guarantee you I wouldn't be doing the two fisted circle jerk dance at a baseball game.

You guys don't realize how far you've let this man warp your norms.

 

[itsme]

Name them.

Every university in Utah is a conservative university. My Dad went to the U a liberal and came out a conservative.

Tyler Robinson

If you think that every teacher within a "conservative" school is conservative you are kidding yourself. I would figure that your father was at the U in the 50's and 60's, much different version of a liberal. In fact, those liberals would be deemed right of center by todays standards.

 

[LouderVol]

White, black, GOP, Dem .... its more a generational issue to me than anything else. Young people now face such uncertain futures. The paths we all had just aren't as realistic as they were just 20 years ago. I feel for the 18 to 30 year olds now. No solid, known, way to have a life and succeed.

I listened to a podcast about this, it went over a bunch of differences. I don't remember the exact numbers so I will try to avoid them.

Controlling for inflation and wage growth:
the cost of buying a house has gone up 2x, even with a lower interest rate, the amount of interest paid has gone up 4x or 5x. They also brought up that many of our parents still had a generational home some of them could live in and take over, now days that percentage is much much lower.

and even beyond the cost, getting approved for a loan has gotten ridiculous, where you end up with situations where even if you could afford the loan, you can't get it. The banks don't care that you have paid $2,000 dollars a month for 5 years of rent; they think we can't handle $1,500 loan payments. its counterintuitive.

there are far more added costs this generation pays that the previous never had to pay for, health insurance being a big one, but even phone/internet is a completely new phenomena the previous generation didn't have to account for until they were older and established.

I can't remember the percentage but the amount of "unspent" money that hits our bank accounts are a lot smaller now.

and a lot of the soft skills haven't been passed on that could help. growing your own food, its easier to pay less on food if you grow it yourself, our generation was never taught that. same thing with making or repairing clothes, or other small household items. with chips in everything there isn't any real way to "fix" most problems. this is a lot of the reason the "trad" life style is becoming a thing, even on SM. its an almost completely lost skill set, because it pretty much skipped a generation or two, and its not something any of us grew up with.

even in the job market the expectations have risen considerably. on the job training is not a thing any more. There isn't a mindset of you can come in and prove yourself. you can't get any professional job without a degree, and even being a manager at a store requires a level of education that most of our parents never had.

 

[StarRaider]

I want you to read this statement @glaad put out so you all understand that it isn’t just a fringe group on the left that is justifying the murder of Charlie Kirk.

This is a multi-million dollar institution that accused Charlie of spreading lies and vitriol through @Riley_Gaines_ Pastor Junsun Yoo, and I.

Naming the 3 of us in this statement is putting a target on our backs and It normalizes the violence that took place in Utah.

They do not care if we die because they think we are nazis. This is the reality of a large amount of the democrat party in America.

 

[n_huffhines]

My buddy teaches at Utah Tech where Tyler Robinson did concurrent enrollment in HS. He got the scoop from an email the president sent to everybody. After HS, the kid went to one semester at Utah State (both of these are relatively conservative schools) and dropped out, then went to trade school.

I would say there is a very low chance the "radicalized by liberal university experience" theory is correct.

 

[lawgator1]

I listened to a podcast about this, it went over a bunch of differences. I don't remember the exact numbers so I will try to avoid them.

Controlling for inflation and wage growth:
the cost of buying a house has gone up 2x, even with a lower interest rate, the amount of interest paid has gone up 4x or 5x. They also brought up that many of our parents still had a generational home some of them could live in and take over, now days that percentage is much much lower.

and even beyond the cost, getting approved for a loan has gotten ridiculous, where you end up with situations where even if you could afford the loan, you can't get it. The banks don't care that you have paid $2,000 dollars a month for 5 years of rent; they think we can't handle $1,500 loan payments. its counterintuitive.

there are far more added costs this generation pays that the previous never had to pay for, health insurance being a big one, but even phone/internet is a completely new phenomena the previous generation didn't have to account for until they were older and established.

I can't remember the percentage but the amount of "unspent" money that hits our bank accounts are a lot smaller now.

and a lot of the soft skills haven't been passed on that could help. growing your own food, its easier to pay less on food if you grow it yourself, our generation was never taught that. same thing with making or repairing clothes, or other small household items. with chips in everything there isn't any real way to "fix" most problems. this is a lot of the reason the "trad" life style is becoming a thing, even on SM. its an almost completely lost skill set, because it pretty much skipped a generation or two, and its not something any of us grew up with.

even in the job market the expectations have risen considerably. on the job training is not a thing any more. There isn't a mindset of you can come in and prove yourself. you can't get any professional job without a degree, and even being a manager at a store requires a level of education that most of our parents never had.

I have encouraged both of their sons to consider things like air conditioning repair, or airplane mainntenance. I dont think the standard professions are as attractive a path as before.

 

[appvol]

I hope he can get his thinking right. Nothing brings back CK. But I have compassion on the young man who strayed from his foundations.

I couldn’t imagine being his father and your son tells you I killed Kirk dad. I pray for that family. His son probably killed a future President

 

[LSU-SIU]

If I had just lost a close friend to an assassination and was in mourning, I can guarantee you I wouldn't be doing the two fisted circle jerk dance at a baseball game.

You guys don't realize how far you've let this man warp your norms.

Evil, you were complaining that they hadn't caught the kid that murdered someone in cold blood, which you are glad is dead, now you are mad at someone else for enjoying themselves at a baseball game because they caught the murderer. I told you yesterday you would be upset once the murderer was caught.

 

[McDad]

Not of my own. But two women I
.. know .. each have a son, 28 yo give or take, and they are aimless.

I have 3. None are dealing with those characteristics. The young people in our church who are just starting out and the young people at work with in a professional capacity are not burdened by those things either. I may just hang around a different type of individual but it may also be true that it's not as pervasive as you think it might be

 

[LouderVol]

Covid is/was part of it. Much bigger problem is kids only socialize on line now. Their "friends" play video games with them.

blame the parents.

child is bored? shove a screen in their face.
need 15 minutes of quiet? shove a screen in their face.
have actual quality conversations or family time? shove a screen in their face.