Sharia Law: Coming to a Neighborhood Near You.

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C-south said:
Yet want to kill all Christians. I can’t believe swampy hasn’t condemned them
In the name of Jesus yet like he does everyone else.
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Nothing in the Quran says anything about killing Christians. Once again stop conflating individual political grievances with the religion.

The Quran is explicit when it comes to how Christians and Jews are viewed by Allah. The Quran states unequivocally that both groups received revelation from Allah just like Muhammad and the Arabs received revelation. The Quran also states that Allah will keep his covenant with the Christians and the Jews. Its why Christians and Jews aren't required to convert to Islam in Muslim nations. Its why even to this day there are Christians and Jews in Iran. You know that fundamentalist Islamic country that we hear so much fear mongering about.

If Muslims wanted to kill Christians and Jews, why are there still many of them in Islamic countries like Iran?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Interestingly early Christians can be accused of the very same things. Poor treatment of women, gays, slavery, pedophilia, etc. are all part of Western Civilization as well. Also one could argue that from the 1500s to the 1800s nobody committed more terrorism and violence globally than Christian European nations.

It looks to me as though the issue here isn't religion (since Christians are guilty of the same offenses) but instead one of modern liberal values versus traditional conservative values. The only sin Muslims have committed seems to be they follow the values of the Abrahamic religions more closely than modern Christians and Jews. So the problem isn't actually Islam. The problem is religion. In particular Abrahamic religions.

But I'm guessing most Christians don't want to condemn their own religion as well so instead they pretend as though they are clear of any wrongdoings.
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I condemn those acts by Christians as well as it goes against Jesus’ teachings. Muhammad himself acted evil and supported those evil actions which is why most Muslims act the same. And comparing the acts of middle age Christians to how Islamic culture is TODAY is hilarious
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
But that's not what is happening here. You're not separating the actual tenants of the religion (which are very similar to Christianity by the way) from the bad actors who are simply engaging in acts of violence because they have political grievances.

Because so many Westerners are ignorant of the actual religion of Islam what they've done is demonized the religion by attributing the actions of people with political grievances to the religion. All I'm doing is trying to educate yall on the fact that the actual religion is different from the actions of a few.

But unfortunately as humans we like to default to hatred. So its easier to just hate on people whose beliefs are different from yours rather than realizing we're all the same and our actions really come down to circumstances rather than inherent qualities.
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We don’t care about the actual “religion” of Islam. We know what Muhammad was and what he did and how violent and evil he was. We know how his followers today still follow his example
 
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EasternVol said:
You haven't gotten out much, have you?
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Yes I have. Ask our soldiers about child rape and bestiality in the Muslim countries they came from. Or forced child marriage. Or female infant forced sexual mutaliation, or how woman are treated in Islamic cultures. Or gays being thrown off roofs. Or people being stoned. They are a primitive third world middle age level violent culture
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I condemn those acts by Christians as well as it goes against Jesus’ teachings. Muhammad himself acted evil and supported those evil actions which is why most Muslims act the same. And comparing the acts of middle age Christians to how Islamic culture is TODAY is hilarious
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Please cite one evil act Muhammad committed and/or supported?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
We don’t care about the actual “religion” of Islam. We know what Muhammad was and what he did and how violent and evil he was. We know how his followers today still follow his example
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How do you know what Muhammad was when he allegedly lived 1400 years ago and we have no contemporaneous material to even his existence? All the Islamic sources about his alleged sayings and actions come into the historical record over 200 years after his death. In fact there is strong evidence that the Muhammad of Islam may have never even existed but was possibly a fabrication by the Abbasid Caliphate in 9th century.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Are you serious or trying to be funny?
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I'm 100% serious. I want you to cite one evil act Muhammad did or endorsed. And then I'll pick it apart to hopefully educate folks on just how misinformed both Muslims and non-Muslims are about the historicity of any claims regarding Muhammad.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Nothing in the Quran says anything about killing Christians. Once again stop conflating individual political grievances with the religion.

The Quran is explicit when it comes to how Christians and Jews are viewed by Allah. The Quran states unequivocally that both groups received revelation from Allah just like Muhammad and the Arabs received revelation. The Quran also states that Allah will keep his covenant with the Christians and the Jews. Its why Christians and Jews aren't required to convert to Islam in Muslim nations. Its why even to this day there are Christians and Jews in Iran. You know that fundamentalist Islamic country that we hear so much fear mongering about.

If Muslims wanted to kill Christians and Jews, why are there still many of them in Islamic countries like Iran?
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Then why did the Arabs attack the Byzantines and other Christian Civilizations to spread Islam? Shouldn't they have stayed in the desert instead of invading Syria, Judea, Egypt, etc. in the 600s? Why go into Spain or France? Why try to sack Rome and kill the Pope in 800? What was the Ottoman Empire thing about as well?

I am sorry, history disagrees with you and these were the Caliphs, the religious leaders of Islam. Even Mohammed himself slaughtered Jews that wouldn't convert outside Mecca.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Hegseth openly attends a Christian Nationalist Church, and they've setup shop in DC to cater to him.


There's little difference between the fact that these people want a theocracy as much as any group espousing Sharia law be adopted by a country.
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I've heard that some of the Aryan Nation loons slunk out of Hayden Lake and moved to Moscow. Those are good people to stay away from.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Yes I have. Ask our soldiers about child rape and bestiality in the Muslim countries they came from. Or forced child marriage. Or female infant forced sexual mutaliation, or how woman are treated in Islamic cultures. Or gays being thrown off roofs. Or people being stoned. They are a primitive third world middle age level violent culture
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It sure sounds like you get your information from scaremongering hucksters instead of personal experience.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
What did she say there, that isn't or about to be true?
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That Mamdani maybe winning in New York and Dearborn floating police patches with Arabic writing mean that sharia law is coming to America. Dearborn dropped the idea BTW. And Mamdani's not going to lead a move from the Constitution to sharia.
She's a professional agitator. Stirring shyte and getting ignorant people riled up is how she makes a good living.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Then why did the Arabs attack the Byzantines and other Christian Civilizations to spread Islam? Shouldn't they have stayed in the desert instead of invading Syria, Judea, Egypt, etc. in the 600s? Why go into Spain or France? Why try to sack Rome and kill the Pope in 800? What was the Ottoman Empire thing about as well?

I am sorry, history disagrees with you and these were the Caliphs, the religious leaders of Islam. Even Mohammed himself slaughtered Jews that wouldn't convert outside Mecca.
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Land, power, wealth, all the usual reasons one group invades another. Religion was down the priority list regardless of rhetoric.
Do you really think Christians invaded the rest of the world and stole their wealth just so they could introduce them to Jesus?
 
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EasternVol said:
Land, power, wealth, all the usual reasons one group invades another. Religion was down the priority list regardless of rhetoric.
Do you really think Christians invaded the rest of the world and stole their wealth just so they could introduce them to Jesus?
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The key is that Muhammad and his direct successors did it. Jesus and his Apostles did NOT. The Caliphate was a religious organization and empire that enforced Islamic Sharia and forever changed the Middle East. Arabs were only limited to the Arabian Peninsula prior to the 650 invasions. Now they are all over North Africa, Middle East, Central Asia, etc. Native populations that were once there have been pushed out (in the name of Islam under the Caliphs).
 
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volbound1700 said:
The key is that Muhammad and his direct successors did it. Jesus and his Apostles did NOT.
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So?
volbound1700 said:
The Caliphate was a religious organization and empire that enforced Islamic Sharia and forever changed the Middle East. Arabs were only limited to the Arabian Peninsula prior to the 650 invasions. Now they are all over North Africa, Middle East, Central Asia, etc. Native populations that were once there have been pushed out (in the name of Islam under the Caliphs).
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Sounds like Christians in the Middle Ages. All answered to the Pope and invading east. Later Catholics and Protestants doing the same. There's no difference, people of both religions waged wars of conquest and dressed them in pious words. Although Islam's expansion was considerably more through trade in Asia than by conquest, while Christianity's spread was pretty much just through conquest.
 
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LouderVol said:
see this is why I try not to engage with this type of conversation. when it comes to Jews all reason and logic go out the doors with way too many.

on the spectrum of antisemitism its the self defeating lowest level nonsense not even worth bringing up.

some of the older, and I would say worse forms of anti-semitism: killing christians/babies. plague bearers/starters. predatory money lending. insert whatever combination of blood sacrifice/cannibalism is currently envogue. traitors trying to bring down country X, Y, Z. whatever tropes about their physical appearances or religious practices that they self identify from. I am sure there plenty of others I am forgetting. yeah none of that is a problem. the problem is people think Jews are rich. how dare people think Jews have money, this is the real anti-semitism.

give me a break with this nonsense. yall are overly defensive about something that doesn't even involve you.
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You can try and downplay it.
You can even try and change your position to “Jews are rich” from “Jews run the world”.

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first, how would saying Jews run the world be anti-semitic?
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But the fact is the trope that “Jews run the world” is one of the oldest in existence. It is literally right out of the textbook.

Your faux assertion that none of the others are “a problem” is a weak strawman.
 
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