President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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n_huffhines said:
If God takes him, who are you to argue? I'm not apologizing for loving America.

Is it better that one person live and America dwindle? Forget about the characters at play, just give an honest answer.

Trump's got blood on his hands as he is greenlighting weapons to Israel to kill tens of thousands of innocent women and children, so yeah, he can die of old age.
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Orangeslice13 said:
Hereā€™s my problem with this whole thing.
Both sides want to argue about legal vs illegal. Neither wants to reform the process and make immigration a realistic process. Where decent people can come and criminals can be kept out.
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The left would never stand for that kind of scrutiny. Same reason why air travel in this country is so easy. We don't do what is necessary to keep all the threats off the airplanes. To wit: El Al
 
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appvol said:
Hereā€™s your President

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It wasn't "the media." It was crock pot speculation and then reporting on the fact of the speculation that something was amiss. But this is what he does -- if he gets favorable coverage he boasts, if he gets unfavorable coverage he generically blames "the media." He knows his base is either too lazy, or too stupid, or both, to understand the difference.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It wasn't "the media." It was crock pot speculation and then reporting on the fact of the speculation that something was amiss. But this is what he does -- if he gets favorable coverage he boasts, if he gets unfavorable coverage he generically blames "the media." He knows his base is either too lazy, or too stupid, or both, to understand the difference.
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You believed pee tapes, sit this one out on whoā€™s too lazy, too stupid or both.
 
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Majors said:
You believed pee tapes, sit this one out on whoā€™s too lazy, too stupid or both.
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I did not say that was true, I said that Putin has some material on Trump and also that Putin helped Trump win in 2016.

The latter is definitely true.

The former may have been off, and it may just be that Putin is well equipped to manipulate Trump with flattery and feeding his ego. Not sure that is a whole lot better than blackmail, really, since it means that others can and do manipulate him in the same way.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I did not say that was true, I said that Putin has some material on Trump and also that Putin helped Trump win in 2016.

The latter is definitely true.

The former may have been off, and it may just be that Putin is well equipped to manipulate Trump with flattery and feeding his ego. Not sure that is a whole lot better than blackmail, really, since it means that others can and do manipulate him in the same way.
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You always leave out the part where Putin helped Bernieā€¦.always
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm sure he did but Bernie has zero power over anything. Trump is POTUS and Putin playing him at every turn has major consequences.
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See this is where you screw up. Its not a maybe. He did. Just like he helped Trump. But the way you frame the issue is to make it look like Putin went out of his way to get Trump elected. The truth is he did all he could to try and prevent Hillary. That's two very different motivations and you frame it your way on purpose. Its disingenuous at best.
 
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volfanhill said:
See this is where you screw up. Its not a maybe. He did. Just like he helped Trump. But the way you frame the issue is to make it look like Putin went out of his way to get Trump elected. The truth is he did all he could to try and prevent Hillary. That's two very different motivations and you frame it your way on purpose. Its disingenuous at best.
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I'm not sure that helps the Trump case that much. You don't think it was a combination? Maybe even 80 percent wanting to keep HRC out, and 20 % recognizing that Trump could be manipulated more easily than she?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm not sure that helps the Trump case that much. You don't think it was a combination? Maybe even 80 percent wanting to keep HRC out, and 20 % recognizing that Trump could be manipulated more easily than she?
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When you look at their history? No. He would have helped Regan if he were running. You are FOS as usual.


With the protesters accusing Putin of having rigged recent elections, the Russian leader pointed an angry finger at Clinton, who had issued a statement sharply critical of the voting results. ā€œShe said they were dishonest and unfair,ā€ Putin fumed in public remarks, saying that Clinton gave ā€œa signalā€ to demonstrators working ā€œwith the support of the U.S. State Departmentā€ to undermine his power. ā€œWe need to safeguard ourselves from this interference in our internal affairs,ā€ Putin declared.

Former U.S. officials who worked on Russia policy with Clinton say that Putin was personally stung by Clintonā€™s December 2011 condemnation of Russiaā€™s parliamentary elections, and had his anger communicated directly to President Barack Obama. They say Putin and his advisers are also keenly aware that, even as she executed Obamaā€™s ā€œresetā€ policy with Russia, Clinton took a harder line toward Moscow than others in the administration. And they say Putin sees Clinton as a forceful proponent of ā€œregime changeā€ policies that the Russian leader considers a grave threat to his own survival.
ā€œHe was very upset [with Clinton] and continued to be for the rest of the time that I was in government,ā€ said Michael McFaul, who served as the top Russia official in Obamaā€™s national security council from 2009 to December 2011 and then was U.S. ambassador to Moscow until early 2014. ā€œOne could speculate that this is his moment for payback.ā€


But its far more fun for you to pretend to be
Independent and run around shrieking ā€œoh he's clearly compromised.ā€
 
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lawgator1 said:
I did not say that was true, I said that Putin has some material on Trump and also that Putin helped Trump win in 2016.

The latter is definitely true.

The former may have been off, and it may just be that Putin is well equipped to manipulate Trump with flattery and feeding his ego. Not sure that is a whole lot better than blackmail, really, since it means that others can and do manipulate him in the same way.
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I advised you to sit it out and now
look atā€™cha.
 
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