Israel vs Palestinians II

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Persian Vol said:
How much time do you think I have in a day?
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So you have nothing.
You’re no better than any of the other propagandists that act like anything they say is objectively true…….but have a glaring lack of consistency.
Just more of your pathetic “it’s about the children “ BS
 
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Persian Vol said:
Well what are they?

IDF approved escort is hardly allowing independent journalism. Everyone knows they’re clearly trying to censor the destruction as much as they can. I mean, I would too if I was massacring civilians.
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Lmao that’s what it is. Why else would a journalist need an escort in a war zone.
 
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n_huffhines said:
If we choose to believe the IDF that the kids were indeed throwing rocks, we are fools.

The more troubling part is that people think this is justification for killing kids. How is it that they can't apprehend these kids without killing them? FFS. The fact that this is an airtight excuse is completely bewildering.

If we had a city in the US of 6 million people where the police kill a dozen kids per year, supposedly for throwing rocks, not one person here would accept this reality. Even in a country where we so strongly back the blue. There has to be a solution beyond execution for this. I would bet all my money that in many cases the rock-throwing is a complete fabrication, and it's a fabrication that shouldn't work even if we believe them.
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And the “incendiary devices”? That kosher too?
 
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Have our resident „anti-Zionists“ started accusing the IDF of using its top secret earthquake machine against Afghanistan yet? 🙄
 
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rekinhavoc said:
www.breitbart.com

Rigged: Genocide Scholar Blows Whistle on Anti-Israel Association

A widely-reported vote by an association of so-called "scholars" declaring Israel guilty of "genocide" was rigged to demonize Israel.
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"A widely-reported vote by an association of so-called “scholars” declaring Israel guilty of “genocide” was rigged to achieve a predetermined outcome, according to a member of the group."

Brown added that the IAGS had added non-scholars as voting members, including political activists and artists, who contributed “diversity” but did not add anything in terms of scholarship of analysis."
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And guess what? Bartov, the expert who is saying it was rigged has called it "genocide," himself.
 
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Smokey123 said:
I was just helping clarify a misunderstanding

I do agree it’s stupid to throw rocks when you know what the consequences are, I also think it’s a ridiculous law, even more so they expanded (in 2021 I believe) it to include allowing open fire on someone that’s fleeing after throwing a rock
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You can always read the book yourself but I ran across this on X today pertaining to your questions regarding the quran telling muslims to kill the non-muslims (infidels)



Also the fact that England just announced that their Far Left government is gonna fast track people from "palestine" into their university system is pure insanity. Guess there isnt enough rape, stabbings and street crime yet. England is a powderkeg these days. We are watching the fall of the UK in real time. Insanity.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
You can always read the book yourself but I ran across this on X today pertaining to your questions regarding the quran telling muslims to kill the non-muslims (infidels)



Also the fact that England just announced that their Far Left government is gonna fast track people from "palestine" into their university system is pure insanity. Guess there isnt enough rape, stabbings and street crime yet. England is a powderkeg these days. We are watching the fall of the UK in real time. Insanity.
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I stopped reading after the first one because; The very first one they quote starts off the verse before with saying only wage war against those who wage war against you first and do not exceeds limits because God does not like transgressors. Also goes on to say if they cease to stop the war because God is forgiving and merciful.

It’s easy to take sentences out of context to use them for an agenda
 
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rekinhavoc said:
The name "Bartov" is not mentioned in the article. Sara Brown was the source.
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Thanks for the correction. For a second there, I thought the criticism carried weight because Bartov said it.

To be clear, the reasons Brown thinks it was rigged are the following:

- an anonymous member(s) put a question to a vote without allowing discussion.
- only 25% voted.
- a few who aren't scholars voted

OK. She is right these forums usually allow debate first, but that doesn't explain how we got to 86%. Why did 75% not vote? Is it because they don't want to be on record? OK, so the people brave enough to vote are somehow discredited as the activist minority? How many artists voted? Unless she can show voter suppression, then there isn't much of a scandal here.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Thanks for the correction. For a second there, I thought the criticism carried weight because Bartov said it.

To be clear, the reasons Brown thinks it was rigged are the following:

- an anonymous member(s) put a question to a vote without allowing discussion.
- only 25% voted.
- a few who aren't scholars voted

OK. She is right these forums usually allow debate first, but that doesn't explain how we got to 86%. Why did only 75% vote? Is it because they don't want to be on record? OK, so the people brave enough to vote are somehow painted as the activist minority? How many artists voted? Unless she can show voter suppression, then there isn't much of a scandal here.
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She started is was rushed through... Hence the no debate, portion. So 25% are the only one notified of was being finished as opposed to thier SOP. So if it is truley a genocide why no debate, no allow non scholars to vote, why only 25%. All seen to point to another fake poll that appeal to authority to sway idiots.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Bury this. Go put your heads in the sand. I might too, if I were supporting genocide.

Transcription:

"Between 2% and 5% of the population have been killed, 60% to 70% of them civilians. A third of those killed are children. Over 1,000 of those killed are children below the age of one.

That’s a ratio that has not existed in the 21st century. Indeed, you have to go back to World War II for these figures. Some of the destruction in cities in Gaza is greater than the destruction of Hiroshima in nuclear weapons. And so, we now have only one part of Gaza that is not completely flattened. Right now, as we speak, in Bir Bala, the IDF is involved in destroying it.

As one reserve Israeli officer said just a couple of days ago, what the IDF is involved in now is actually not fighting. There hasn’t been a war there since June of 2024. It’s involved in destroying the place—flattening it—or protecting contractors that are being brought from Israel, paid very well for it, to destroy one building after another.

Over 70% of the structures in Gaza are no longer standing. Ninety percent of the schools have been destroyed or damaged. This is a rate of destruction that is unprecedented. In Syria, in the civil war, in 13 years, 2% of the population were killed. Israel has accomplished that already, apparently, by the summer of 2024."

The rate is huge, and the intent is quite clear. And you can see it from all the reports coming in from Gaza." - Omer Bartov, Israeli-American genocide expert confirming this is genocide
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And yet, it's estimated 20% of Nagasaki's population was killed and 36% dead within a year. Genocide? Estimates at Hiroshima are between 25-35%...genocide? Imposing those figures onto Gaza means between 400K Gazans would need to die to equal the Nagasaki casualties, and 500K-700K dead Gazans to equate to the Hiroshima toll.

So, the scholar Bartov lies from the start, or else simply doesn't care for the facts and relies on the ignorance of the audience to propagate a narrative.

In the definition of genocide you're brandished, I didn't notice "ratio" being the determinant; has it been upgraded to state ratio - not intent - is the determinant? What ratio of casualties is required for genocide?

Or is it "rate of destruction" that replace intent now? What rate of destruction is the red-line demarcation point that tips a conflict to genocide?

Bartov expresses the equivalent of "I know art - or obscenity - when I see it" with his pronouncement of "intent is quite clear". Intent to destroy the population in whole or part is a considerably higher bar than "I know genocide when I see it".

But good on you for finding a Jew to yell 'genocide' with you.
 
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Persian Vol said:
apnews.com

Leading genocide scholars organization says Israel is committing genocide in Gaza

The largest professional organization of scholars studying genocide says that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.
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"O’Brien said 28% of members participated — a rate that’s typical for the group’s resolutions. Voting is held by email, according to the group’s bylaws, and members have 30 days to reply."

No voter suppression, no excuses, they just either couldn't find the time in 30 days or probably more likely, didn't want to go on record.

"The scholars’ resolution accused Israel of crimes including “indiscriminate and deliberate attacks against the civilians and civilian infrastructure” in Gaza and called on Israel to “ immediately cease all acts that constitute genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity against Palestinians in Gaza.”

It begins with an acknowledgment that Hamas’ attack “constitutes international crimes.”

I don't understand how anybody thinks that is a rigged vote. They put a question to a vote, and people voted. It's not like it was a trick question. You either agree with that statement or you don't. 500 members had a chance to voice their opinions, and only 20 people voted "it's not genocide." 20.
 
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