Israel vs Palestinians II

[Rickyvol77]

Did Israel tell you that they were terrorists? And you believe them? That negotiator didn't say they were terrorists.

Nothing? What are you talking about?

Why do you think Israel is the only party justified in defending itself? Why don't you think Israel has an obligation to the people they are occupying?

They aren't "occupying" anyone any different than the US Government is "occupying" Native American reservations

 

[rekinhavoc]

Report: Trump Considering Plan to Pay Gazans $5,000 to Leave Temporarily, Redevelop Area into Tech Hub

Trump is reportedly considering a plan to take over Gaza for ten years and relocate its 2 million Palestinians while the Strip is redeveloped.

www.breitbart.com

"The 38-page prospectus seen by The Washington Post envisions at least a temporary relocation of all of Gaza’s more than 2 million population, either through what it calls “voluntary” departures to another country or into restricted, secured zones inside the enclave during reconstruction.

Those who own land would be offered a digital token by the trust in exchange for rights to redevelop their property, to be used to finance a new life elsewhere or eventually redeemed for an apartment in one of six to eight new “AI-powered, smart cities” to be built in Gaza. Each Palestinian who chooses to leave would be given a $5,000 cash payment and subsidies to cover four years of rent elsewhere, as well as a year of food.

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Called the Gaza Reconstitution, Economic Acceleration and Transformation Trust, or GREAT Trust, the proposal was developed by some of the same Israelis who created and set in motion the U.S.- and Israeli-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) now distributing food inside the enclave. Financial planning was done by a team working at the time for the Boston Consulting Group."

 

[Persian Vol]

Hamas was murdering and raping children too, only difference is Israel isn't targeting them, they are collateral damage at worst.

Care to explain the evidence of sniper bullets to the head of Palestinian children?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Care to explain the evidence of sniper bullets to the head of Palestinian children?

Show me actual evidence?

- Could be accidental in cross fire
- Could be Hamas shooting them as they are known to do
- Could be the "children" are committing violent and terrorist acts vs the IDF or others

Your vague statements mean nothing when Hamas daily puts out fake news, fake stats, fake staged videos and lies

 

[rekinhavoc]

 

[Persian Vol]

Show me actual evidence?

- Could be accidental in cross fire
- Could be Hamas shooting them as they are known to do
- Could be the "children" are committing violent and terrorist acts vs the IDF or others

Your vague statements mean nothing when Hamas daily puts out fake news, fake stats, fake staged videos and lies

UN Commission of Inquiry (2019) on the Gaza border protests (“Great March of Return”): concluded Israeli snipers unlawfully shot demonstrators, including children, journalists, and medics.

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UN documentation to member states later referenced “intentional targeting of civilian demonstrators in Gaza by Israeli snipers, including children.”

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BBC investigations (video) compiled ~95 instances of children shot in the head or chest during the current Gaza war; includes names, dates, sources.




The Guardian (news report) quotes multiple doctors who treated children with sniper shots to the brain/head and chest in Gaza

‘Not a normal war’: doctors say children have been targeted by Israeli snipers in Gaza

IDF says it ‘completely rejects’ charge that its soldiers deliberately fired on any of the thousands of civilians killed in Israeli offensive

www.theguardian.com

Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) (Doctors without Borders) reveals medical data, patient testimonies, and firsthand observations showing that food distribution sites run by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) have become “orchestrated killing” zones—not humanitarian lifelines.

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www.msf.org

 

[Persian Vol]

Show me actual evidence?

- Could be accidental in cross fire
- Could be Hamas shooting them as they are known to do
- Could be the "children" are committing violent and terrorist acts vs the IDF or others

Your vague statements mean nothing when Hamas daily puts out fake news, fake stats, fake staged videos and lies

Sent you plenty of evidence. And children getting sniped in the head isn’t a vague statement, it’s quite specific.

 

[Rickyvol77]

UN Commission of Inquiry (2019) on the Gaza border protests (“Great March of Return”): concluded Israeli snipers unlawfully shot demonstrators, including children, journalists, and medics.

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www.un.org

UN documentation to member states later referenced “intentional targeting of civilian demonstrators in Gaza by Israeli snipers, including children.”

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documents.un.org

BBC investigations (video) compiled ~95 instances of children shot in the head or chest during the current Gaza war; includes names, dates, sources.




The Guardian (news report) quotes multiple doctors who treated children with sniper shots to the brain/head and chest in Gaza

‘Not a normal war’: doctors say children have been targeted by Israeli snipers in Gaza

IDF says it ‘completely rejects’ charge that its soldiers deliberately fired on any of the thousands of civilians killed in Israeli offensive

www.theguardian.com

Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) (Doctors without Borders) reveals medical data, patient testimonies, and firsthand observations showing that food distribution sites run by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) have become “orchestrated killing” zones—not humanitarian lifelines.

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www.msf.org

"the demonstrations were civilian in nature, bringing them under a law enforcement legal paradigm, they were at times violent, including throwing stones, cutting through the separation fence, and launching incendiary kites and balloons. The Commission found, however, that the use of lethal force in response was rarely necessary or proportionate. For lethal force to be permissible, the victim must pose an imminent threat to life or limb. The ISF violated international human rights law in most instances the Commission investigated. "

Gotcha

 

[Orangeslice13]

"the demonstrations were civilian in nature, bringing them under a law enforcement legal paradigm, they were at times violent, including throwing stones, cutting through the separation fence, and launching incendiary kites and balloons. The Commission found, however, that the use of lethal force in response was rarely necessary or proportionate. For lethal force to be permissible, the victim must pose an imminent threat to life or limb. The ISF violated international human rights law in most instances the Commission investigated. "

Gotcha

Also in the DMZ or dead zone.
What are peaceful people doing in a place where you get shot for going.

We did this at length in another “hate Israel thread. There’s even video footage of some of the shootings

 

[Rickyvol77]

Also in the DMZ or dead zone.
What are peaceful people doing in a place where you get shot for going.

We did this at length in another “hate Israel thread. There’s even video footage of some of the shootings

It's the same logic that 15-21 year old gang members involved in robberies, carjackings and shootings are just "poor innocent kids"

 

[Vol8188]

Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) (Doctors without Borders) reveals medical data, patient testimonies, and firsthand observations showing that food distribution sites run by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) have become “orchestrated killing” zones—not humanitarian lifelines.

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Any time a group of doctors pretend to be criminal investigators, that should be an obvious red flag. I’m sure they’ve treated plenty of people who were harmed at various sites. Claiming the doctors know who harmed them and that it was “an orchestrated kill zone” is a complete joke of a claim

 

[Rickyvol77]

Any time a group of doctors pretend to be criminal investigators, that should be an obvious red flag. I’m sure they’ve treated plenty of people who were harmed at various sites. Claiming the doctors know who harmed them and that it was “an orchestrated kill zone” is a complete joke of a claim

It's a normal media BS trope.

"These 50 former intelligence workers..."
"Nurses and Doctor Associations believe...."
"Legal experts have suggested...."
"Some experts say that......."

It's 100% political BS

 

[Persian Vol]

It's the same logic that 15-21 year old gang members involved in robberies, carjackings and shootings are just "poor innocent kids"

Comparing children throwing rocks in protest of occupation under an apartheid state (and subsequently getting sniped) to adolescent shootings is certainly a take.

 

[Persian Vol]

Any time a group of doctors pretend to be criminal investigators, that should be an obvious red flag. I’m sure they’ve treated plenty of people who were harmed at various sites. Claiming the doctors know who harmed them and that it was “an orchestrated kill zone” is a complete joke of a claim

So you think it’s more likely that the people getting massacred (including children) are not being killed by Israel? The country responsible for demolishing the entire Gaza Strip and murdering tens of thousands of children?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Comparing children throwing rocks in protest of occupation under an apartheid state (and subsequently getting sniped) to adolescent shootings is certainly a take.

So you believe teenagers going with terrorists into a DMZ war zone, and not only throwing rocks but shooting at and throwing bombs at said soldiers and civilians is not a reason to be shot at?

 

[Rickyvol77]

So you think it’s more likely that the people getting massacred (including children) are not being killed by Israel? The country responsible for demolishing the entire Gaza Strip and murdering tens of thousands of children?

You are being silly because some are probably killed by Israel and some are likely being killed by Hamas, but you choose only one side to condemn

 

[n_huffhines]

Comparing children throwing rocks in protest of occupation under an apartheid state (and subsequently getting sniped) to adolescent shootings is certainly a take.

If we choose to believe the IDF that the kids were indeed throwing rocks, we are fools.

The more troubling part is that people think this is justification for killing kids. How is it that they can't apprehend these kids without killing them? FFS. The fact that this is an airtight excuse is completely bewildering.

If we had a city in the US of 6 million people where the police kill a dozen kids per year, supposedly for throwing rocks, not one person here would accept this reality. Even in a country where we so strongly back the blue. There has to be a solution beyond execution for this. I would bet all my money that in many cases the rock-throwing is a complete fabrication, and it's a fabrication that shouldn't work even if we believe them.

 

[Persian Vol]

So you believe teenagers going with terrorists into a DMZ war zone, and not only throwing rocks but shooting at and throwing bombs at said soldiers and civilians is not a reason to be shot at?

Imagine going through this sort of mental gymnastics to legitimize the execution of children…

 

[Persian Vol]

You are being silly because some are probably killed by Israel and some are likely being killed by Hamas, but you choose only one side to condemn

Ironic, as I have condemned both. But it seems like I haven’t heard you condemn Israel. More or less, justifying the execution of children it seems.

 

[Vol8188]

So you think it’s more likely that the people getting massacred (including children) are not being killed by Israel? The country responsible for demolishing the entire Gaza Strip and murdering tens of thousands of children?

Some are killed by the IDF. Some by Hamas. Some by others.

If you were treating a trauma victim, would you know who harmed them? These aren’t criminal investigators. They’re welcome to their opinion, but it shouldn’t be taken as anything more than a none professional opinion. So when they try to throw their medical credentials behind such claims, it’s a sad joke

 

[Vol8188]

“Why can’t I stone Jews?”-this board right now

 

[Persian Vol]

Some are killed by the IDF. Some by Hamas. Some by others.

If you were treating a trauma victim, would you know who harmed them? These aren’t criminal investigators. They’re welcome to their opinion, but it shouldn’t be taken as anything more than a none professional opinion. So when they try to throw their medical credentials behind such claims, it’s a sad joke

If I was a trauma surgeon in Gaza, I would assume the overwhelmingly majority of casualties are from Israel. As is reality.

 

[Persian Vol]

“Why can’t I stone Jews?”-this board right now

Do you truly believe any of us criticizing Israel wants to stone Jews?

 

[Vol8188]

If I was a trauma surgeon in Gaza, I would assume the overwhelmingly majority of casualties are from Israel. As is reality.

Seems they’re making very strong statements for “assumptions”. Once again, they’re not investigators.

 

[Vol8188]

Do you truly believe any of us criticizing Israel wants to stone Jews?

You seem to be shocked that stoning Jews results in a violent response. Hard to take that as anything other condoning the action