Maybe We Like a Dictator

[MOOOOONEY]

I don’t understand why this is pole worthy?

It’s a quote basically of Trump saying I’m not a dictator.

Better pole would have been about using the NG to police DC.

 

[OHvol40]

Holy moving the goalposts batman.

How did the system they set up "benefit" them the most?

Really? Can’t put that one together? They were not the majority but wanted a system that did not see them cede power, so we got what we got, and they were financially important enough for a fledgling nation to concede this.

 

[OHvol40]

I believe the 3/5's Compromise was the measure that most benefited slave states. How senators are allocated didn't benefit them. Look at population by state in the 1780's.

I’m just showing there is a pattern of rural, slave-owning states to exert their power and suppress the rest in the founding stages of our govt.

 

[hndog609]

Considering that it's Trump that is making the current claims, why wouldn't his previous claims be relevant to the validity of those current claims?

Because I'm only interested in what is legal for "a president" in this case. I'm sure there are plenty of people to keep you amused with Orange Man specific arguments.

 

[NashVol11]

You can call me a yes voter on crime all you want

That's a yes in general, then. Pretty much every dictator uses "safety" and "cleaning things up" as a justification

 

[Peradox1K]

The posse comitatus act prevents the feral govt from using the military as a police force outside of a national emergency. A governor has the power to use their NG to assist police.

I think that since Washington DC isn't a state, it's technically not in violation of the posse comitatus act, and thats why he could deploy the NG.

 

[n_huffhines]

I don’t understand why this is pole worthy?

It’s a quote basically of Trump saying I’m not a dictator.

Better pole would have been about using the NG to police DC.

"poll"

The guy acting like an authoritarian tried to sell us on the idea of a dictator right before denying that he's a dictator, and all that you find meaningful is the last part.

 

[n_huffhines]

I think that since Washington DC isn't a state, it's technically not in violation of the posse comitatus act, and thats why he could deploy the NG.

Yeah, but what about when he used marines for ICE enforcement in California? He didn't have congressional authorization or invoke the insurrection act, so that was illegal use of troops for domestic enforcement.

Even if he's legally authorized to do what he's doing in DC, it doesn't mean it's not authoritarian. Government powers can be authoritarian, you know? The hope is that the POTUS doesn't use them for stupid ****.

 

[Peradox1K]

Yeah, but what about when he used marines for ICE enforcement in California? He didn't have congressional authorization or invoke the insurrection act, so that was illegal use of troops for domestic enforcement.

Even if he's legally authorized to do what he's doing in DC, it doesn't mean it's not authoritarian. Government powers can be authoritarian, you know? The hope is that the POTUS doesn't use them for stupid ****.

This is the closest to politically neutral. Hope it helps.

What U.S. law says about Trump's deployment of active duty troops to Los Angeles

The standard to dispatch the military to a state is not simply in the eye of the beholder. There are limited legal circumstances in which a president is supposed to deploy the military domestically.

www.pbs.org

 

[MOOOOONEY]

"poll"

The guy acting like an authoritarian tried to sell us on the idea of a dictator right before denying that he's a dictator, and all that you find meaningful is the last part.

It’s pole on VN. Search for the thread.

To answer the “poll” question

No I do not like dictator.

Tried one once.

I like mine French fried.

It was ok but left a funny taste in my mouth.

Trump is a blowhard idiot. We survived Biden and we will survive Trump.

Huff, you need to take a break and find some joy in life. You seem to be on a volproof spiral. It’s not really good for your health to be miserable all the time.

 

[appvol]

That's a yes in general, then. Pretty much every dictator uses "safety" and "cleaning things up" as a justification

Nope I said just crime

 

[n_huffhines]

This is the closest to politically neutral. Hope it helps.

What U.S. law says about Trump's deployment of active duty troops to Los Angeles

The standard to dispatch the military to a state is not simply in the eye of the beholder. There are limited legal circumstances in which a president is supposed to deploy the military domestically.

www.pbs.org

Yeah, and it says Trump is employing an extremely broad interpretation of the law. This is what authoritarians do. It's not about what's right. It's not about what's the spirit and intent of a law. It's about what you can get away with, and he can get away with anything as long as large contingency of Americans will run defense for him.

Loyalty to our neighbors, our rights, the national community, our good laws, the constitution, cities, states, country, and our democratic principles should all come WAY before loyalty to Trump, if you're a real patriot.

 

[Peradox1K]

Yeah, and it says Trump is employing an extremely broad interpretation of the law. This is what authoritarians do. It's not about what's right. It's not about what's the spirit and intent of a law. It's about what you can get away with, and he can get away with anything as long as large contingency of Americans will run defense for him.

Loyalty to our neighbors, our rights, the national community, our good laws, the constitution, cities, states, country, and our democratic principles should all come WAY before loyalty to Trump, if you're a real patriot.

That's how the constitution was meant to be read.

Research Guides: Federalist Papers: Primary Documents in American History: Full Text of The Federalist Papers

The Federalist Papers were a series of essays written by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay under the pen name "Publius." This guide compiles Library of Congress digital materials, external websites, and a print bibliography.

guides.loc.gov

According to a founding father, Alexander Hamilton, the constitution was meant to be read with different interpretations.
Thomas Jefferson did this too to do the Louisiana Purchase. Don't see you complaining about that.

 

[n_huffhines]

It’s pole on VN. Search for the thread.

To answer the “poll” question

No I do not like dictator.

Tried one once.

I like mine French fried.

It was ok but left a funny taste in my mouth.

Trump is a blowhard idiot. We survived Biden and we will survive Trump.

Huff, you need to take a break and find some joy in life. You seem to be on a volproof spiral. It’s not really good for your health to be miserable all the time.

We "survived" Biden with elements of our democracy eroded.

We'll survive Trump with even more of our democracy eroded. No need to oppose his stupidity. We'll survive.

Be happy in your personal life, guy who I know nothing about.

 

[n_huffhines]

That's how the constitution was meant to be read.

Research Guides: Federalist Papers: Primary Documents in American History: Full Text of The Federalist Papers

The Federalist Papers were a series of essays written by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay under the pen name "Publius." This guide compiles Library of Congress digital materials, external websites, and a print bibliography.

guides.loc.gov

According to a founding father, Alexander Hamilton, the constitution was meant to be read with different interpretations.
Thomas Jefferson did this too to do the Louisiana Purchase. Don't see you complaining about that.

Find me one bona fide conservative who will say "broad interpretations by the executive are how the constitution should be read."

It's fine if you believe this, but you are not a conservative.

 

[NashVol11]

Nope I said just crime

Yeah a "dictator on crime" isn't any less of a dictator lol

 

[Peradox1K]

Find me one bona fide conservative who will say "broad interpretations by the executive are how the constitution should be read."

It's fine if you believe this, but you are not a conservative.

Sure as hell ain't a progressive liberal

 

[n_huffhines]

Sure as hell ain't a progressive liberal

Cool, so you're a big government, anti-free market guy who doesn't care about rule of law, but at least you don't care about poor people.

What do you even stand for?

 

[Peradox1K]

Cool, so you're a big government, anti-free market guy who doesn't care about rule of law, but at least you don't care about poor people.

No, no. Pay attention. This is the only time I'll list my beliefs.
BELIEFS:
Peace through Strength
Strong Central Government
A fair, free market with credit (Capitalism)
Money can create more money
IF UR IN HERE ILLEGALLY, GET OUT

 

[Peradox1K]

No, no. Pay attention. This is the only time I'll list my beliefs.
BELIEFS:
Peace through Strength
Strong Central Government
A fair, free market with credit (Capitalism)
Money can create more money
IF UR IN HERE ILLEGALLY, GET OUT

Also yes, I understand I unintentionally listed the same thing twice.

 

[n_huffhines]

No, no. Pay attention. This is the only time I'll list my beliefs.
BELIEFS:
Peace through Strength
Strong Central Government
A fair, free market with credit (Capitalism)
Money can create more money
IF UR IN HERE ILLEGALLY, GET OUT

So you care about rule of law when it comes to preventing God's children from being your neighbor, but don't care about rule of law when it comes keeping the ruling elites in line.

I'm accused of being a lib all the time, but saying one of your cornerstones is "strong central government" is far more liberal than anything that I've said.

So you're not mad about Trump broadening powers to disrupt the free market? This is part of the authoritarian conversation.

 

[EasternVol]

I’m just showing there is a pattern of rural, slave-owning states to exert their power and suppress the rest in the founding stages of our govt.

Which didn't happen. The Three Fifths Compromise was a compromise and not suppression. Again, look at state populations in the 1780's, and the largest cities in 1790. There weren't many what we'd call cities, and of the 20 largest, 13 were free and 7 were slave. That's not a huge gap. One region suppressing the other or trying to would have just resulted in ratification being delayed until the suppression ceased.

 

[EasternVol]

No that got voted out. But I guess you prefer topless transgender people at the White House.

How is it a zero sum issue?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

We "survived" Biden with elements of our democracy eroded.

We'll survive Trump with even more of our democracy eroded. No need to oppose his stupidity. We'll survive.

Be happy in your personal life, guy who I know nothing about.

What elements of 'democracy' is Trump eroding?

This should be good

 

[Peradox1K]

So you care about rule of law when it comes to preventing God's children from being your neighbor, but don't care about rule of law when it comes keeping the ruling elites in line.

I'm accused of being a lib all the time, but saying one of your cornerstones is "strong central government" is far more liberal than anything that I've said.

So you're not mad about Trump broadening powers to disrupt the free market? This is part of the authoritarian conversation.

Hell, I'd soil myself if Jesus was my neighbor.
Trump has created so many jobs already it's not even funny.
I think he is doing his best to fix the mess Biden and Harris made (or so they say).
Yes, I am a maverick towards how a government should be shaped, but that's the only thing I agree with liberal-wise.
He's broadening powers you will be very pleased with when a dem president uses them in the future.