War in Ukraine

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Matt2496 said:
I know you like to make light of/celebrate the death, but I find it disturbing. These are young men, likely teenagers, being forcibly conscripted to go fight over there. They didn’t have a say.
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They can take it up with their leader when he joins them in hell. They weren't conscripted. They signed a contract with mother Russia.
 
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Matt2496 said:

Conscription in Russia - Wikipedia

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Under Russian law conscripts aren't allowed to go to the front line. But what does law matter to Donny and Vlad? Most, if not all, of the aspiring astronauts in that video volunteered for their space launch.

www.rferl.org

Russian Conscripts Can't Be Sent Into Battle. This One Was. And He's Not Happy About It.

Putin has promised repeatedly that young Russian conscripts would not be deployed in combat with Ukrainian forces. But dozens of conscripts have gone missing or captured after Ukraine’s cross-border invasion last summer. And others have reported ending up in outright combat.
www.rferl.org www.rferl.org
 
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Some economic tidbits about Russia. They are - slowly but surely - circling the drain. Putin's war is running out of time.

Their sovereign wealth fund has declined 68% since beginning of 2022 and their invasion. It declined about 8% from July to August alone, so low oil prices are forcing Russia to break open its piggy bank.

Russian Finance Ministry data indicated that the Kremlin ran a budget deficit of 4.9 trillion rubles (roughly $61 billion) from January to August of 2025, exceeding the target for the entire year by a quarter.

Russian Federation Council Committee on Budget and Financial Markets Chairperson Antatoly Artamonov claimed in late July 2025 that Russia needed to “urgently start fiscal consolidation” amidst increasingly pessimistic economic indicators and a decline in oil and gas revenues.

Reuters reported that Russia spends over 17 trillion rubles (roughly $211 billion) or 41 percent of its federal budget on its defense and national security. This stat is insane and absolutely unsustainable.
 
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LSU-SIU,

Not trolling but can you expound on the Europe collapse stuff? Explain how it occurs step by step and your logic about why they would fight each, how they have been invaded, etc.
 
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evillawyer said:
Under Russian law conscripts aren't allowed to go to the front line. But what does law matter to Donny and Vlad? Most, if not all, of the aspiring astronauts in that video volunteered for their space launch.

www.rferl.org

Russian Conscripts Can't Be Sent Into Battle. This One Was. And He's Not Happy About It.

Putin has promised repeatedly that young Russian conscripts would not be deployed in combat with Ukrainian forces. But dozens of conscripts have gone missing or captured after Ukraine’s cross-border invasion last summer. And others have reported ending up in outright combat.
www.rferl.org www.rferl.org
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Yes, and they are bypassing that law. It has been widely reported the usage of conscripts in Ukraine.

 
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volbound1700 said:
LSU-SIU,

Not trolling but can you expound on the Europe collapse stuff? Explain how it occurs step by step and your logic about why they would fight each, how they have been invaded, etc.
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Economically, financially, socially and culturally they are in collapse. The one area that Europe was still strong economically and financially was Germany, but they have basically cut them off at the knees. Germany was the one holding it all together. The U.S. and Europe did not want Germany and Russia to join in any way, which is what was occurring. Europe's goal was to keep moving east as they can't realistic move west. If they collapsed Russia than they could take it, plunder it, expand Europe and use what Russia has. Once you collapse at scale than war is used for the unofficial bankruptcy and liquidation of the unfunded walking liabilities, see 1929-1945. This further ignores what has really happened there, they have allowed the enemy right in through the front gates.

There is no real path for Europe to make it in its present form, most of those countries won't have many Europeans in them within a few decades - Africa and the Middle East have moved North. Its over. The question for me is what are they going to be fighting each with because the modern war machine requires cheap energy. I guess they can go back to swords or arrows.

Eastern Europeans countries are the most vulnerable as they are generally the smaller ones and some instances considerably so. However, they are the ones that are more able to form trading and military agreements with Russia, China, etc. Eastern European countries should be moving now to secure their future, the other parts of Europe have no easy road.

Europe is all in on the end of Russia, which is why they keep wanting the U.S. to get involved because they are powerless to do it themselves yet that is what they need to survive.
 
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MontyPython said:
Some economic tidbits about Russia. They are - slowly but surely - circling the drain. Putin's war is running out of time.

Their sovereign wealth fund has declined 68% since beginning of 2022 and their invasion. It declined about 8% from July to August alone, so low oil prices are forcing Russia to break open its piggy bank.

Russian Finance Ministry data indicated that the Kremlin ran a budget deficit of 4.9 trillion rubles (roughly $61 billion) from January to August of 2025, exceeding the target for the entire year by a quarter.

Russian Federation Council Committee on Budget and Financial Markets Chairperson Antatoly Artamonov claimed in late July 2025 that Russia needed to “urgently start fiscal consolidation” amidst increasingly pessimistic economic indicators and a decline in oil and gas revenues.

Reuters reported that Russia spends over 17 trillion rubles (roughly $211 billion) or 41 percent of its federal budget on its defense and national security. This stat is insane and absolutely unsustainable.
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Just imagine what those numbers would be if Ukraine’s “allies” stopped funding the Russian war effort.
 
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hog88 said:
Just imagine what those numbers would be if Ukraine’s “allies” stopped funding the Russian war effort.
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Why would Europe or the US actually want this war to stop? Since Putin took over in 2000 Russia had made some serious gains politically, economically… then Putin can’t help himself and attacks Ukraine, allowing NATO countries to conduct a proxy war. They finally have an avenue to weaken Russia, and it’s working. NATO countries really have no incentive to end this war (besides all the killing), and Putin is operating on pride while his country withers. This conflict may be happening until Putin dies.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Why would Europe or the US actually want this war to stop? Since Putin took over in 2000 Russia had made some serious gains politically, economically… then Putin can’t help himself and attacks Ukraine, allowing NATO countries to conduct a proxy war. They finally have an avenue to weaken Russia, and it’s working. NATO countries really have no incentive to end this war (besides all the killing), and Putin is operating on pride while his country withers. This conflict may be happening until Putin dies.
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Yeah, it was working in Afghanistan for 20 years too.
 
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BeardedVol said:
No one saw this coming; no one.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Putin dusts off delaying tactics playbook and stalls peace talks

Vladimir Putin is dusting off his stalling and delaying tactics playbook as peace talks with Ukraine falter and Russia continues to build up troops on the frontline and pound Ukrainian targets.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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They guy below you seems to disagree. He seems to think the West has Russia right where they want them.

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OHvol40 said:
Why would Europe or the US actually want this war to stop? Since Putin took over in 2000 Russia had made some serious gains politically, economically… then Putin can’t help himself and attacks Ukraine, allowing NATO countries to conduct a proxy war. They finally have an avenue to weaken Russia, and it’s working. NATO countries really have no incentive to end this war (besides all the killing), and Putin is operating on pride while his country withers. This conflict may be happening until Putin dies.
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Very good points, I wish the Ukrainiacs would wake up and see the truth.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Because Trump has assured us that Putin really wants peace, isn't that why he rolled out the red carpet for him in Alaska?
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Just because he wants peace doesn't mean there isn't conditions for the peace. Nobody is saying what you are claiming in context. Its not peace at any cost.
 
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hog88 said:
What do you want Trump to do to end the war?
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The last week has reaffirmed that Putin is not currently interested in peace on anything except the most favorable terms and so the key to resolving this is to make it so expensive for Russia to continue that Putin has real incentive to come to the bargaining table. Only thing I can think of is a combination of ratcheting up economic sanctions (including third party sanctions) and increasing the flow of defensive weaponry to Ukraine (not offensive, just defensive, to make it even more of a slog for Russia to continue).
 
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lawgator1 said:
The last week has reaffirmed that Putin is not currently interested in peace on anything except the most favorable terms and so the key to resolving this is to make it so expensive for Russia to continue that Putin has real incentive to come to the bargaining table. Only thing I can think of is a combination of ratcheting up economic sanctions (including third party sanctions) and increasing the flow of defensive weaponry to Ukraine (not offensive, just defensive, to make it even more of a slog for Russia to continue).
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There is no incentive for the current Ukrainian and European leadership to end the war where things are today. There is incentive for the Russians but only if it meets their goals of the operation. I would suspect some leeway as far as land but as far as their primary objectives, probably less so.

So, your solution is fund new weapons with money that doesn't exist, to send weapons that don't exist, and to give them to meat that doesn't exist? Oh, what other sanctions do you think will work, you mean where Europe has no energy at all?
 
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lawgator1 said:
The last week has reaffirmed that Putin is not currently interested in peace on anything except the most favorable terms and so the key to resolving this is to make it so expensive for Russia to continue that Putin has real incentive to come to the bargaining table. Only thing I can think of is a combination of ratcheting up economic sanctions (including third party sanctions) and increasing the flow of defensive weaponry to Ukraine (not offensive, just defensive, to make it even more of a slog for Russia to continue).
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Can you elaborate on what you mean by 3rd party sanctions?
 
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