War in Ukraine

[LSU-SIU]

FTFY

I'm not the ones putting out lies, you guys are going ape .

Best thread on the whole board, we have 3+ years of documentation of insanity, most of the insane bailed long ago. Haven't you heard that paying money, giving weapons and fighting for Al-Qaeda isn't part of the good guys? You guys can get mad all you want but its not going change anything. I'm not the one doing all this insanity, simple observations.

 

[bamawriter]

Yes, winning is when you jump on C-17s and start dropping civilians from the land gear. Than the people you claim is your enemy you supply them with weapons and money, and bomb other countries for them so the can take over. I'm sure that is was all part of your sane plan.

You still haven't made it out of the acceptance stage. There really isn't anything complex about this.

You certainly got the bolded correct. "The good guys always win" is an argument only a brain damage victim could love.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You certainly got the bolded correct. "The good guys always win" is an argument only a brain damage victim could love.

Well, only an insane person would think it would be alright to label a terrorist as the bad guys, lose to those guys, than supply them with weapons and money, and than be their lil botch and start bombing yet more countries so they can take over.

You are right, the bold is correct. You have disadvantages.

Good guys do not run like a bunch of lil botches and certainly don't pay people who they claim are terrorist.

You have a long way to go, you're at stage 1. I was in stage 1 in the early 90s. Right now, you are of no use as you have disadvantages.

 

[NorthDallas40]

he's been absolutely cracked for over 2 years repeating the same 10 or 12 lines in a frenetic craze, and has now spent the last 6 months calling everyone insane while telling them to go die for zelensky

somebody hurt that dude real bad

Why didn’t you ban him when you had the power

 

[LSU-SIU]

Yeah, that was bizarre.

If its bizarre why are you paying them, give them weapons and help them to overthrow a country? Good guys don't run from the bad guys, pay them, give them weapons and start working for them to bomb people. Just my simple observation.

Its bizarre that people still think a face diaper would stop a virus as well but we have a few those on the board as well. Am I taking something out context here? Here is a clue, almost nobody wants to look at themselves as being "bad", its human nature. Most humans will fight it till the end.

As you can see, nobody is denying that we didn't lose, aren't paying, giving weapons and helping the bad guys - magically we're the good guys. Magic.

None of that is out context. The good guys always win, there is a reason for that - meaning the good guys will do whatever it takes to make sure good triumphs. The reason why the U.S. keeps generally losing these military/operations either directly or indirectly is because they are based on lies. The truth eventually finally comes out and good triumphs and the lie dies.

 

[hog88]

I’m still waiting for those “severe consequences” that he promised if there was no ceasefire. Hollow promises and idle bluster as usual.

Again I ask, where is Monty Hall when we need him?

What about severe consequences for the countries paying for Russia's war? Like most of Europe?

 

[LouderVol]

That is not relevant. We are not parties, you wanted the U.S. to undermine Russia. Whether you believe it or not is not material at this stage, the Russians believe it. And I agree with them, regardless if I agree - they believe it. They don't need your or my permission. FAFO Now people are dead.

just because the Russians believe doesn't make it real. you are using the same mindset you complain about Americans using. just like Iraq in 2001, just because the people believe it doesn't mean its real of the violence is justified.

the russians did exactly what the two parties do here. they made up a fake boogey man, assigned a false flag to that boogey man, and then did what they wanted to do all along, while selling to their sheep that they are right.

if we thought Russia was undermining the US, would you support the US attacking Russia? like we didn't have any proof, but we believed it?

 

[NorthDallas40]

What about severe consequences for the countries paying for Russia's war? Like most of Europe?

“What about…”?

 

[LSU-SIU]

just because the Russians believe doesn't make it real. you are using the same mindset you complain about Americans using. just like Iraq in 2001, just because the people believe it doesn't mean its real of the violence is justified.

the russians did exactly what the two parties do here. they made up a fake boogey man, assigned a false flag to that boogey man, and then did what they wanted to do all along, while selling to their sheep that they are right.

if we thought Russia was undermining the US, would you support the US attacking Russia? like we didn't have any proof, but we believed it?

If its not true they will lose, just like they lost in Afghanistan and we lost in Afghanistan.

The good guys.

the russians did exactly what the two parties do here. they made up a fake boogey man, assigned a false flag to that boogey man, and then did what they wanted to do all along, while selling to their sheep that they are right.

Than they will lose. The lies always come out in the end which is why the U.S. generally keeps losing.

if we thought Russia was undermining the US, would you support the US attacking Russia?

Russia isn't attacking the U.S. Anyone can technically attack anyone else. Probably wouldn't be a wise decision for either of those parties to go at it. They're not going to allow you to use the Ukraine as a pawn.

The good guys will win and people out here will rinse and repeat.

 

[LouderVol]

If that's the case, why haven't they invaded Belarus? The Stans? Azerbaijan (with it's significant oil reserves)?

Kinda defeats the whole argument you're making about "getting the Soviet Empire" back together

Belarus is already under his thumb. Russia just put some of their own nukes back in Belarus. Russia has used Belarus as a staging area and launch point for their invasion and attacks into Ukraine. Lukashenko only has a job, and probably his life, because he sucks up to Putin.

Azerbaijan was one of the victims of Putin's "frozen" wars with soviet troops occupying some of their territory for Armenia. Azerbaijan also spent that oil money on building up their military to maintain their independence, Russia has made multiple attempts to enact their control and been thwarted so far.

he pretty much only shares a border with Kazakhstan, pretty hard to invade thru another. and he just propped Kazakhstan up to maintain what level of control they do have. Putin wasn't able to do much during that strife because he was only a few weeks from invading Ukraine and needed all of his troops on that border. it was pretty clear Putin thought Ukraine would fall easy, and then could turn around to take Kazakhstan; and its been soviet revisionism since then.

for the rest, the CSTO is Russia's NATO. although a lot more dysfunctional. which is saying a good bit.

 

[LouderVol]

If its not true they will lose, just like they lost in Afghanistan and we lost in Afghanistan.

The good guys.

Than they will lose. The lies always come out in the end which is why the U.S. generally keeps losing.



Russia isn't attacking the U.S. Anyone can technically attack anyone else. Probably wouldn't be a wise decision for either of those parties to go at it. They're not going to allow you to use the Ukraine as a pawn.

why does the war being based on a lie mean they will fail? oh wait, you bought the moral crusade bs that Putin was putting out, I am sorry I forgot that angle.

In war, truth is the first casualty.

 

[LSU-SIU]

why does the war being based on a lie mean they will fail? oh wait, you bought the moral crusade bs that Putin was putting out, I am sorry I forgot that angle.

In war, truth is the first casualty.

Its the first thing to go, but it never goes away completely which is why you are the bad guy and you keep losing. The lie only works for a bit.

you bought the moral crusade bs that Putin was putting out

I don't think I did any such thing, if he wins... he is the good guy.

You're at stage 1, not much I can do man.

 

[bamawriter]

I don't think I did any such thing, if he wins... he is the good guy.

This is so moronic that it would be shocking if you didn't believe it.

 

[NorthDallas40]

This is so moronic that it would be shocking if you didn't believe it.

It’s also so moronic it would be shocking if it posted by anybody else.

 

[n_huffhines]

If that's the case, why haven't they invaded Belarus? The Stans? Azerbaijan (with it's significant oil reserves)?

Kinda defeats the whole argument you're making about "getting the Soviet Empire" back together

You ever get that desktop with the answers you were looking for?

 

[n_huffhines]

It's 2025 and people are still talking to LSU-SIU

 

[LSU-SIU]

This is so moronic that it would be shocking if you didn't believe it.

What is moronic is someone implying that you run from the bad guys, you lose to the bad guys, you pay the bad guys, you give weapons to the bad guys, and you start bombing third parties (working) for the bad guys.... and you think you are on the good guy team.

 

[hog88]

“What about…”?

Why are none of you Ukrainiacs willing to discuss that elephant in the room. If Europe would have stopped buying Russian oil/gas 3 years ago this war would be over because Russia couldn't pay for it.

 

[LSU-SIU]

It's 2025 and people are still talking to LSU-SIU

Mr. Helper who thought he was good guy for harboring criminals.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Why are none of you Ukrainiacs willing to discuss that elephant in the room. If Europe would have stopped buying Russian oil/gas 3 years ago this war would be over because Russia couldn't pay for it.

Lol simmer down ham sammich I actually agree with your premise. I am pretty sure they have curtailed quite a bit their oil and NG purchases from Russia but yes if they would cut off all purchases that leaves only China and India to buy from them. Then it would be on us to tell both of them pick who you want to do business with. Regardless I don’t think China and India can buy enough to prop up Russia’s economy and I’d expect since they are purchasers of last resort they would get a pretty sweet deal.

 

[hog88]

Lol simmer down ham sammich I actually agree with your premise. I am pretty sure they have curtailed quite a bit their oil and NG purchases from Russia but yes if they would cut off all purchases that leaves only China and India to buy from them. Then it would be on us to tell both of them pick who you want to do business with. Regardless I don’t think China and India can buy enough to prop up Russia’s economy and I’d expect since they are purchasers of last resort they would get a pretty sweet deal.

How does Russia pay for this war? With Euros, almost 25 billion dollars worth in 2024 alone.

EU imports of Russian fossil fuels in third year of invasion surpass financial aid sent to Ukraine – Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air

Actually they haven't "curtailed quite a bit". The same Europeans that want to soak us dry financing Ukraine are paying for Russia's war effort.

Despite a range of sanctions and the threat posed by dependence on Russian energy, in the third year of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, EU imports of Russian fossil fuels in particular remain largely unchanged, totalling EUR 21.9 bn, a 6% year-on-year drop in value but merely a 1% year-on-year drop in volumes.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Actually they haven't "curtailed quite a bit". The same Europeans that want to soak us dry financing Ukraine are paying for Russia's war effort.

Actually I’ll concede you’re right. I had seen recent claims of much lower NG exports to Europe however in googling for it this time your same article showed up at the top of my list.

Here was AI’s hot take from my Google also.

European imports of Russian oil and gas have significantly decreased since 2021 due to sanctions and efforts to diversify energy sources. While some EU countries still import Russian gas, particularly via pipeline, overall imports have drastically declined, with a notable drop in pipeline gas compared to LNG.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Actually they haven't "curtailed quite a bit". The same Europeans that want to soak us dry financing Ukraine are paying for Russia's war effort.

Aha!

So It is ok to stand with Ukraine while you huff Russian Gas.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[hog88]

Aha!

So It is ok to stand with Ukraine while you huff Russian Gas.

Apparently it is. I keep asking the Ukrainiacs what sanctions, consequences do they want the US to place on Russia and get nothing in return. The only way to turn off the money paying for their war is to sanction the countries buying Russian oil/gas.