War in Ukraine

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Heh. I've come to believe that influencing Trump is kind of like trying to reel in a football recruit. He ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Pretty much if you have the last recruiting trip, then you're sitting pretty.

European leaders are meeting with Trump tomorrow.

Watch Trump flip yet again. $$$
 
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volbound1700 said:
Woodrow Wilson came up with the concept in the 1910s. You guys are zombies to it and it has lead the USA into unnecessary war after unnecessary war and arguably helped cause WW2 as well.
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Few people bore me more than isolationists. The absurdly false notion that all bad things in the world are merely a response to America. It’s an absolute joke
 
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Vol8188 said:
According to Zelenskyy there’s a total of 25 ceasefires Putin has agreed to since 2014. But, yes. That’s one of them. Along with Easter, Christmas, and others.

Point still stands. Temporary ceasefires do not guarantee a war ends.
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So since the escalation in February of 2022, how many ceasefires has Putin agreed to?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Few people bore me more than isolationists. The absurdly false notion that all bad things in the world are merely a response to America. It’s an absolute joke
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This is you:




This situation has NOTHING to do with USA and that is why we shouldn't care about it.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Idk the exact, but multiple. Not all of which Zelenskyy has agreed to.
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Can you point one out?

Besides the 3-day cease fire Putin wanted for his parade, and the unilateral Orthodox Christmas ceasefire that Putin said he was observing, but didn't, I know of no others.
 
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apevol said:
bush implied a nuclear threat for anyone interfering in our invasion of Iraq

the real problem here is, contrary to norris's interpretation of history..it had been assumed since the end of wwII that war for land was no longer acceptable, or even feasible, in large part due to nuclear weapons. now Russia is essentially using the nuclear threat to make a very clumsy and embarrassing attempt at a land grab.
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Putin needs to learn the hard way. Accept Ukraine into NATO and make him walk the walk.

Every sane individual in the world knows the nuclear threat is bogus over Ukraine. It's Ukraine.

Bush could at least argue that Iraq was a rogue actor even to its middle eastern neighbors. Saddam was not trustworthy even among Arab nations much less the rest of the world. The Bush threat was bogus too, if he'd been called on it, but Iraq wasn't anyone's favorite nation so the world really didn't care.

But Ukraine? Zelensky isn't Mother Teresa by any means but Ukraine isn't menacing anyone, certainly isn't threatening anyone, isn't doing much of anything except exporting wheat and whatnot. Obama was a coward. I expect better from President Trump than to let Putin bluff him over Ukraine.
 
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you heard it here folks, stop caring about ukraine

i guess ill find something else to talk about
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Putin needs to learn the hard way. Accept Ukraine into NATO and make him walk the walk.

Every sane individual in the world knows the nuclear threat is bogus over Ukraine. It's Ukraine.

Bush could at least argue that Iraq was a rogue actor even to its middle eastern neighbors. Saddam was not trustworthy even among Arab nations much less the rest of the world. The Bush threat was bogus too, if he'd been called on it, but Iraq wasn't anyone's favorite nation so the world really didn't care.

But Ukraine? Zelensky isn't Mother Teresa by any means but Ukraine isn't menacing anyone, certainly isn't threatening anyone, isn't doing much of anything except exporting wheat and whatnot. Obama was a coward. I expect better from President Trump than to let Putin bluff him over Ukraine.
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Russia needs Crimea because Putin isn't competent enough to make russia thrive without it using the model he's married to thus far. He cant make Crimea work without the surrounding areas. It IS existential to Russia, but due to incompetence, not ukronazi fairytales
 
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BeardedVol said:
Can you point one out?

Besides the 3-day cease fire Putin wanted for his parade, and the unilateral Orthodox Christmas ceasefire that Putin said he was observing, but didn't, I know of no others.
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Christmas, Easter, Victory Day, and Mariupol Humanitarian are 4. I’m assuming there’s more. Zelenskyy did not officially publish the list, he only referenced it. There may be some classified negotiations that prevent it from being published
 
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Vol8188 said:
The world is more interconnected now than ever. Yes, Russia gaining power and influence through the world does 100% affect us.
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i like you because you didn't turn into noam chomsky when the far wing podcasters and YouTube influencers decided putin is the ultimate sigma male
 
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norrislakevol said:
So a conventional war is worth the risk?
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Wait? Isn't Russia too depleted to fight?

Putin knows NATO would kick his butt and kill MANY more of his troops with air power. NATO wouldn't even need that many boots on the ground before Putin realized he'd stepped in it.

Before that I would sanction Russia to absolute death like North Korea. Tell the world we've drawn a line and will not do business with you if you do business with Russia until he leaves Ukraine. Quadruple tariffs on Russia and any nation buying anything not absolutely essential from Russia.

I don't want conventional war with Russia in Ukraine but Putin cannot be allowed to bully smaller countries militarily. That's a terrible precedent Obama already started and we need to end now.
 
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apevol said:
Russia needs Crimea because Putin isn't competent enough to make russia thrive without it using the model he's married to thus far. He cant make Crimea work without the surrounding areas. It IS existential to Russia, but due to incompetence, not ukronazi fairytales
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Not my problem. If Russia needed Ukraine, they never should've agreed repeatedly to let Ukraine become a sovereign nation after 1991. I feel certain they wouldn't have let the Moscow province leave because they need Moscow.

Russia's poor planning is not the world's problem. It sucks that they retain poor leadership but there are consequences to failing to take care of your country.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Putin needs to learn the hard way. Accept Ukraine into NATO and make him walk the walk.

Every sane individual in the world knows the nuclear threat is bogus over Ukraine. It's Ukraine.
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This is a horrible take. Russia is losing wealth and mass numbers of people in this war. Let them continue to bleed. Make NATO pay their share, and keep the pressure on Putin.
 
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Vol8188 said:
He likely would, but he’s refused ceasefires before.

Either way, you’re intentionally confusing “ceasefire” and “end of the war”.
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Dude, why are you being so obstinate? Seriously.

If both Putin and Zelenskyy agree to a ceasefire, why would the war not end?

I'm close to writing you off as a mindless AI bot.

HINT: IT WOULD.
 
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Vol8188 said:
This is a horrible take. Russia is losing wealth and mass numbers of people in this war. Let them continue to bleed. Make NATO pay their share, and keep the pressure on Putin.
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That's exactly what I want but the Ukrainian people I know, actually missionaries some who are natives, some who are married to natives, are unable to stay safe, as a matter of fact the ones I know personally are no longer in Ukraine though they are still in the area and occasionally entering Ukraine. Reports I've heard personally are not comforting for civilians in Ukraine at all.

Europe and the US can make this war extremely hard for Russia but for some reason it's suddenly unpopular to oppose Putin too strongly. I realize it's expensive to fund war and I cannot express how strongly I want the absolute highest level of economic sanctions we can apply on Russia also. Freeze and seize bank accounts, yachts, everything to help fund the war and DON'T be Obama and return money to rogue states even if it's Russia.

I don't want US troops on the ground in Ukraine but I do want Putin to know we're not going to let him finish this war.
 
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MontyPython said:
Dude, why are you being so obstinate? Seriously.

If both Putin and Zelenskyy agree to a ceasefire, why would the war not end?

I'm close to writing you off as a mindless AI bot.

HINT: IT WOULD.
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They’ve both agreed to ceasefires before. Is the war over?
 
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MontyPython said:
Dude, why are you being so obstinate? Seriously.

If both Putin and Zelenskyy agree to a ceasefire, why would the war not end?

I'm close to writing you off as a mindless AI bot.

HINT: IT WOULD.
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History says whatever Putin agrees to he will not abide by. The war is not ending unless Ukraine surrenders to Putin or someone jumps in on Ukraine's behalf.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Christmas, Easter, Victory Day, and Mariupol Humanitarian are 4. I’m assuming there’s more. Zelenskyy did not officially publish the list, he only referenced it. There may be some classified negotiations that prevent it from being published
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So 2-3 day ceasefires that happened to coincide with Russian logistical struggles.

Got it.
 
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