Trump Orders U.S. Military Action Against Terrorist Drug Cartels

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LouderVol said:
war on drugs going hot? What could go wrong?
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If they actually wind up prosecuting and jailing these cartel leaders I’ll give them props on that. But yeah I’m gonna guess any contact between US LEOs and cartel members is about to get much more dicey.

No I’m not supporting the war of drugs it’s been a huge waste of resources. But today it’s the law of the land and if these guys get convicted or have been convicted then they need to be in jail unless their sentence is otherwise adjudicated.

Now going after a bunch of little fish on minor possession is complete BS and needs to end today.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
If they actually wind up prosecuting and jailing these cartel leaders I’ll give them props on that. But yeah I’m gonna guess any contact between US LEOs and cartel members is about to get much more dicey.

No I’m not supporting the war of drugs it’s been a huge waste of resources. But today it’s the law of the land and if these guys get convicted or have been convicted then they need to be in jail unless their sentence is otherwise adjudicated.

Now going after a bunch of little fish on minor possession is complete BS and needs to end today.
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the cold war on drugs caught too many innocents in the cross and was a net loss for America. I don't see any reason to think a hot war on drugs will be any different.

wouldn't be shocked to see many of those same military planes transporting troops to whatever jungle come back laden with some of Colombia's finest.
 
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LouderVol said:
the cold war on drugs caught too many innocents in the cross and was a net loss for America. I don't see any reason to think a hot war on drugs will be any different.

wouldn't be shocked to see many of those same military planes transporting troops to whatever jungle come back laden with some of Colombia's finest.
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Exactly, the Cold War on Drugs killed innocent the hot War on Drugs will kill the innocent, no War on Drugs will definitely kill the innocent, let's make it all legal. Prostitution, gambling in every city, drugs. That should save a lot of innocent people.
 
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NCFisher said:
I don't perceive a reason to be concerned at all about this, as it's quite ambiguous and no indication there's a pending action. I consider it to be furthering pressuring the Mexican government to work with the U.S., and regain sovereignty of their nation, a good thing for both. That goes for other Latin American nations, as well. And Canada.

Cartels cannot be viewed simply as criminal groups; they are paramilitary organizations. Border security is national security; I think there are likely areas of opportunity for our military and border forces to cooperate.

It isn't just narcotics any more, if it ever was. Aside from human labor and sex trafficking, cartels are involved in a variety of cyber, finance, and extortion crimes. I'm skeptical legalizing would impact the cartels; why wouldn't they simply redirect their fortunes into newly-legalized drug cultivation and trafficking? The question is not whether we can eliminate crime and crime-fighting effort by legalizing an activity, but whether legalizing narcotics has any sort of net benefit. I don't see it.
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They are also involved in laundering massive amounts of money via the Chinese. Billions of dollars. I watched a news report about it. Chinese nationals make big profits by setting up shell companies and "legitimizing" huge sums of money for cartels. The Chinese take a % of all deposits as their profit, and send the rest back to the cartel bank accounts from their shell companies. The offshore holdings of Chinese profits (huge amounts) also serve as a means for the Chinese criminals to hide massive amounts of money from their Communist government as tax shelters. They funnel their own money into the same clandestine accounts. The cartels get to hide their drug profits offshore in accounts seemingly held by legitimate businesses. Everyone wins...except the US and Latin American people whose lifes are destroyed by the drugs and cartels.

So not only does China still produce all the liquid fentanyl (and analogs) that is used to manufacture the fentanyl powder killing about 100,000 Americans a year, they also launder huge sums of money for the cartels and help them hide it in offshore accounts. Between those 2 things, all their espionage stealing our best privately held and military tech constantly, and working worldwide to replace the dollar as the reserve/trade currency in every country possible...the Chinese are destroying the US without ever firing a shot. They dont need to go to war with us. That would be stupid on their part. Just keep doing what they're doing and watch Americans elect more Democrats that also want to destroy this nation with Socialism, Communism and batsheit crazy policy. They can sit back and watch this nation implode without ever firing a shot. We are already well on our way IMO.
 
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LouderVol said:
the cold war on drugs caught too many innocents in the cross and was a net loss for America. I don't see any reason to think a hot war on drugs will be any different.

wouldn't be shocked to see many of those same military planes transporting troops to whatever jungle come back laden with some of Colombia's finest.
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I have seen video footage of our soldiers guarding poppy fields and processing plants in Afghanistan where heroin was made. Also seen footage of the harvesting and processing taped by American TV stations. We guarded, enabled, and guaranteed that their production of 85% of the worlds genuine heroin would not suffer during the war. Cant let a silly thing like war keep Europe from getting their black tar heroin.
 
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dalton_vol said:
Exactly, the Cold War on Drugs killed innocent the hot War on Drugs will kill the innocent, no War on Drugs will definitely kill the innocent, let's make it all legal. Prostitution, gambling in every city, drugs. That should save a lot of innocent people.
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I would just rather let people be responsible for killing themselves instead of the failed nanny state being responsible for killing themselves.

government should only be concerned with the violent.

I wouldn't have cops carrying around Narcan either. paramedics maybe.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
They are also involved in laundering massive amounts of money via the Chinese. Billions of dollars. I watched a news report about it. Chinese nationals make big profits by setting up shell companies and "legitimizing" huge sums of money for cartels. The Chinese take a % of all deposits as their profit, and send the rest back to the cartel bank accounts from their shell companies. The offshore holdings of Chinese profits (huge amounts) also serve as a means for the Chinese criminals to hide massive amounts of money from their Communist government as tax shelters. They funnel their own money into the same clandestine accounts. The cartels get to hide their drug profits offshore in accounts seemingly held by legitimate businesses. Everyone wins...except the US and Latin American people whose lifes are destroyed by the drugs and cartels.

So not only does China still produce all the liquid fentanyl (and analogs) that is used to manufacture the fentanyl powder killing about 100,000 Americans a year, they also launder huge sums of money for the cartels and help them hide it in offshore accounts. Between those 2 things, all their espionage stealing our best privately held and military tech constantly, and working worldwide to replace the dollar as the reserve/trade currency in every country possible...the Chinese are destroying the US without ever firing a shot. They dont need to go to war with us. That would be stupid on their part. Just keep doing what they're doing and watch Americans elect more Democrats that also want to destroy this nation with Socialism, Communism and batsheit crazy policy. They can sit back and watch this nation implode without ever firing a shot. We are already well on our way IMO.
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Right? Why re-hash the opium wars with us? That was the speakers of real English; smuggle fent there...

Imagine that we just had a Chair of Joint Chiefs look us in the eye and tell us China is not an enemy.
 
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LouderVol said:
I would just rather let people be responsible for killing themselves instead of the failed nanny state being responsible for killing themselves.

government should only be concerned with the violent.

I wouldn't have cops carrying around Narcan either. paramedics maybe.
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A government is only as good as the citizens
 
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LouderVol said:
I would just rather let people be responsible for killing themselves instead of the failed nanny state being responsible for killing themselves.

government should only be concerned with the violent.

I wouldn't have cops carrying around Narcan either. paramedics maybe.
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I do understand your thought. The citizens are going to get drugs, no matter what the government does. But it's going to affect innocent people with or without government crack down
 
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dalton_vol said:
I do understand your thought. The citizens are going to get drugs, no matter what the government does. But it's going to affect innocent people with or without government crack down
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so why do it? I will be on the side of more personal freedom, even if its means we are a little more unsafe.

I can potentially deal with drugged out whacko.
I can't deal with an over zealous government who has the wrong address.
 
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LouderVol said:
so why do it? I will be on the side of more personal freedom, even if its means we are a little more unsafe.

I can potentially deal with drugged out whacko.
I can't deal with an over zealous government who has the wrong address.
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The problem is, its not going to be isolated to that individual. We can agree that many innocent people have been killed because drugs, I could understand if it was in a vacuum, but its not
 
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dalton_vol said:
The problem is, its not going to be isolated to that individual. We can agree that many innocent people have been killed because drugs, I could understand if it was in a vacuum, but its not
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and more innocent people will be killed, imprisoned, and lose rights from the federal government's overstepping.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
If they actually wind up prosecuting and jailing these cartel leaders I’ll give them props on that. But yeah I’m gonna guess any contact between US LEOs and cartel members is about to get much more dicey.

No I’m not supporting the war of drugs it’s been a huge waste of resources. But today it’s the law of the land and if these guys get convicted or have been convicted then they need to be in jail unless their sentence is otherwise adjudicated.

Now going after a bunch of little fish on minor possession is complete BS and needs to end today.
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its the same story now as it ever was. follow the money and you can solve the problem. its just that nobody likes where the money takes us
 
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Flogballs said:
www.wbir.com

Car crash in Roane County leads to charges against major Mexican drug operation

In 2019, two drug dealers got into a car accident in Rockwood. Six years later, investigations revealed how Mexican cartels were trafficking drugs to U.S. towns.
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i knew a guy who robbed his supplier and told me that the cartel was coming for him. we hung out in a seedy hotel playing music while the dude next door was coughing his lungs out. He skipped town that night and didn't resurface for years. Me in my 20s was a very fearless and very stupid person
 
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Efforts to secure our southern border ...

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The United States has ordered the deployment of air and naval forces to the southern Caribbean Sea to address threats from Latin American drug cartels ...

Trump has made cracking down on drug cartels a central goal of his administration, part of a wider effort to limit migration and secure the U.S. southern border.

"This deployment is aimed at addressing threats to U.S. national security from specially designated narco-terrorist organizations in the region," one of the sources said.

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US military deploying forces to southern Caribbean against drug groups

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The United States has ordered the deployment of air and naval forces to the southern Caribbean Sea to address threats from Latin American drug cartels, three sources briefed on the decision told Reuters on Thursday. President Donald Trump has wanted to use the military to...
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dalton_vol said:
The problem is, its not going to be isolated to that individual. We can agree that many innocent people have been killed because drugs, I could understand if it was in a vacuum, but its not
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Unfortunately, I have to see and deal with the collateral damage to children on a regular basis.
 
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