Israel vs Palestinians II

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@NashVol11
Viral misinformation" and it's caring about kids in Gaza, and "misinformation" only because some children had medical conditions on top of their circumstances which she also mentioned. Shameles




As shameless as strapping women to the hood of cars and mutilating them? Or strapping their naked and raped bodies to the back of trucks and parading them through huge crowds of muslims in gaza screaming, spitting on them and throwing things at them? As shameless as executing dozens of teenage kids at a music festival...even walking down a row of Porta Jon toilets where scared little girls hid in side....shooting 7.62mm rounds into each toilet to make sure none of them lived? All the while laughing and giggling with their buddies and acreaming their BS "allahu akbar". As shameless as raping old women and little girls and taking them hostage...many of which have still not been released 2 years later??

You can take the word "shameless" and shove it straight up your azz. Nobody who supports, celebrates, or makes excuses for the filthy animals that did all these horrible things and videotaped it has any business using the word "shameless". Cant wait to see every single muslim terrorist gone from the West Bank and Gaza. Both lands are Israel and will be reclaimed.

From the river to the sea...Israel is what will be.
 
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MAD said:
You see what Zionism does to people according to Nash.
I’ve turned into this wicked devil apparently.

It's funny what Zionism does to people. MAD was one of the nicest people on this board, but when Israel is involved it's all insults, propaganda and "no innocent lives in Gaza"
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Between your Trumpism and Zionism, you just don't add up when considered by the other ISMists.

And you were such a nice boy...
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
@NashVol11
Viral misinformation" and it's caring about kids in Gaza, and "misinformation" only because some children had medical conditions on top of their circumstances which she also mentioned. Shameles




As shameless as strapping women to the hood of cars and mutilating them? Or strapping their naked and raped bodies to the back of trucks and parading them through huge crowds of muslims in gaza screaming, spitting on them and throwing things at them? As shameless as executing dozens of teenage kids at a music festival...even walking down a row of Porta Jon toilets where scared little girls hid in side....shooting 7.62mm rounds into each toilet to make sure none of them lived? All the while laughing and giggling with their buddies and acreaming their BS "allahu akbar". As shameless as raping old women and little girls and taking them hostage...many of which have still not been released 2 years later??

You can take the word "shameless" and shove it straight up your azz. Nobody who supports, celebrates, or makes excuses for the filthy animals that did all these horrible things and videotaped it has any business using the word "shameless". Cant wait to see every single muslim terrorist gone from the West Bank and Gaza. Both lands are Israel and will be reclaimed.

From the river to the sea...Israel is what will be.
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Everyone here has condemned Hamas and you seem to have trouble with reading comprehension. You should make your own thread for your 1,000-word ramblings about how your team is heroic and perfect and the other team is responsible for everything bad in the world. Every post is the same thing, and trying to boo-yah about Israel murdering tens of thousands of civilians makes it worse
 
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NCFisher said:
Israel's support was to a relatively peaceful M. Brotherhood leader's (Ahmed Yassin) unarmed network - Mujama' al-Islami - of schools, mosques, clinics, finance, and civic centers in Gaza from 1973 onward; then and now it is referred to as a Muslim charity network. This early support was to counterbalance a militant, nationalist Fatah/PLO and by public recognition lend credence to the organization and mitigate the potential for violent faction. That coincided with Egypt's Sadat inviting the Muslim Brotherhood back into the country under reformist leaders, in the 1970s. In fact, the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza did not join Arab boycotts of Israel following the 1967 Six Day War and Israeli taking of Gaza and West Bank.

With the First Intifada in December 1987, the network began reforming over the next 1.5 years into a nationalist group. It announced its existence and platform in August 1988, and launched attacks on Israel in spring 1989.

When did Israel support or help Hamas?
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Children are terrorist but encouraging suicide bombings of civilians is relatively peaceful
 
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MAD said:
Do not watch if scenes of a famine and genocide disturb you.

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I don't know, man...you're seeing Gazans soliciting food vendors and playing in the ocean, but watching this through American Left eyes...all I'm seeing is the opening scene from Saving Private Ryan.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Still waiting on the condemnation of Hamas tactics like hiding in aid tents and shooting or dressing up as aid workers while fighting, or my favorite…taking children with you while attacking the IDF. (No luggage but Aks and an abandoned of ammo. Ya they were just trying to leave the area with their shields……I mean children)


Not holding my breath
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I doubt this is aimed at me as I have and will continue to say Hamas is vile and everything listed above is beyond wrong.

I’m still waiting on not even just condemnation but any form of acknowledgement on wrong doings Israel has. Not just in regards to post 10/7 but with Hamas and leading up to it

Which that isn’t aimed at you because you did in the prior thread and I think we’re pretty close in that regard. But some of the things said in this thread have been pretty shocking to say the least
 
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Smokey123 said:
I’m not having an honest discussion if the stance you’re taking is he was “relatively peaceful”
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Come off your high horse and engage; we'll find out what's honest.

In the early 70s when Israelis began lending support to Yassin, the group waging attacks was the PLO. As the PLO moderated - a distinctly relative term as is 'relatively peaceful' - during the 1980s, Yassin's network began in the opposite direction of becoming more violent during which he increasingly served jail terms. Would you prefer "relatively not dangerous"? What suicide attacks - child or adult - are you referring to, prior to Hamas launching attacks against Israel? Perhaps you've a reference I'm unaware of.

Again, your contention has been that Israel helped/supported Hamas who didn't emerge until 8/1988. I've seen similar statements for years that Israel supported or even created Hamas, and decided to call the hand this time.

Now, using any criteria you want, when did Israel help/support Hamas? I'm not understanding your 'gotcha!' moment here.
 
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NCFisher said:
Come off your high horse and engage; we'll find out what's honest.

In the early 70s when Israelis began lending support to Yassin, the group waging attacks was the PLO. As the PLO moderated - a distinctly relative term as is 'relatively peaceful' - during the 1980s, Yassin's network began in the opposite direction of becoming more violent during which he increasingly served jail terms. Would you prefer "relatively not dangerous"? What suicide attacks - child or adult - are you referring to, prior to Hamas launching attacks against Israel? Perhaps you've a reference I'm unaware of.

Again, your contention has been that Israel helped/supported Hamas who didn't emerge until 8/1988. I've seen similar statements for years that Israel supported or even created Hamas, and decided to call the hand this time.

Now, using any criteria you want, when did Israel help/support Hamas? I'm not understanding your 'gotcha!' moment here.
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There was no gotcha. If you’re going to justify Israel’s involvement with Hamas by saying Yassin was relatively peaceful I’m not discussing it. You’re more than welcome to research instead of remaining in ignorance tho
 
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Smokey123 said:
There was no gotcha. If you’re going to justify Israel’s involvement with Hamas by saying Yassin was relatively peaceful I’m not discussing it. You’re more than welcome to research instead of remaining in ignorance tho
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I'm not justifying anything. I am saying the chronology doesn't seem to match up.

Let's start with Yassin encouraging child suicide bombings; when did that occur? Then, being rational adults, we can see how that matches with the radicalization of Yassir/Mujama and the emergence of Hamas timeline.
Save me from my ignorance, my friend.
 
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NashVol11 said:
"Viral misinformation" and it's caring about kids in Gaza, and "misinformation" only because some children had medical conditions on top of their circumstances which she also mentioned. Shameless
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If a person really cares about kids; the best thing they can hope for is the rapid and total defeat of Hamas. Then the children of Gaza maybe have some hope of growing up in a world in which their parents don’t hope and pray that they become martyrs or blow themselves up with a suicide vest. And enjoy a childhood free of weapons training and constant indoctrination in hate.
The lives of children in Germany and Japan were much more hopeful in 1946 than they were in 1944.
 
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MAD said:

Use of child suicide bombers by Palestinian militant groups - Wikipedia

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You're ruining my surprise.
And possibly delaying the cure of my accused ignorance.

I know what Smokey is referring to, which is well after Hamas was formed from Yassin's Mujama. Well after Israeli support for Mujama ended. So, the claim is either upon Hamas announcement of their existence and charter to destroy Israel in August 1988 and launching attacks on Israel in spring of 1989, somewhere in that timeline - or even after ?? - Israel supported Hamas. A self-proclaimed and proven enemy combatant committed to the destruction of Israel.

Anything is possible, I guess, but I don't find any such references. I'm asking Smokey for his/hers, doubting it exists. .




 
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Smokey123 said:
I doubt this is aimed at me as I have and will continue to say Hamas is vile and everything listed above is beyond wrong.

I’m still waiting on not even just condemnation but any form of acknowledgement on wrong doings Israel has. Not just in regards to post 10/7 but with Hamas and leading up to it

Which that isn’t aimed at you because you did in the prior thread and I think we’re pretty close in that regard. But some of the things said in this thread have been pretty shocking to say the least
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It’s not.
You and I disagree on parts but I can logically see how you got there and you’re consistent in what you say.
 
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NCFisher said:
And yet you can't specify the false statements/claims you assert I'm making. Stop hedging and state your case. I'll make time to go point by point with you.
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Sure I can. Anyone with a basic understanding of the situation there can. When time allows I will.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Everyone here has condemned Hamas and you seem to have trouble with reading comprehension. You should make your own thread for your 1,000-word ramblings about how your team is heroic and perfect and the other team is responsible for everything bad in the world. Every post is the same thing, and trying to boo-yah about Israel murdering tens of thousands of civilians makes it worse
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“Condemning” Hamas is meaningless if followed by “but Israel…….”

Either condemn Hamas or don’t. Just don’t qualify your condemnation
 
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OrangeTsar said:
“Condemning” Hamas is meaningless if followed by “but Israel…….”

Either condemn Hamas or don’t. Just don’t qualify your condemnation
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IIRC I didn't, and even that is much more than the apologists in this thread who can't condemn one single thing Israel does
 
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Smokey123 said:
Why is that not your response when Israel commits an atrocity? Or when Israel enabled Hamas?
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If I feel any condemnation of Israel is deserved I will make it as a stand alone statement. I will not water it down by conflating it with a justification based on actions by the other side.
Either condemn or don’t.
 
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NashVol11 said:
IIRC I didn't, and even that is much more than the apologists in this thread who can't condemn one single thing Israel does
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I will gladly condemn Israel for being too restrained in their response to Hamas enabling the war to last as long as it has. It should have been over in six weeks max if they didn’t try and appease their critics over here.
How’s that?
 
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Smokey123 said:
Why is that not your response when Israel commits an atrocity? Or when Israel enabled Hamas?
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Until Israel actually commits an atrocity, I will let you know (and please don’t give me some Pallywood sob story about how 12000 orphans were bombed while riding in ambulances to get water for puppies).
yes Gazan civilians (including children) do get killed; but not in any greater numbers than in other urban combat situations; especially when Hamas defies the rules of war by intermingling with the civilian population
 
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