Israel vs Palestinians II

Still waiting on the condemnation of Hamas tactics like hiding in aid tents and shooting or dressing up as aid workers while fighting, or my favorite…taking children with you while attacking the IDF. (No luggage but Aks and an abandoned of ammo. Ya they were just trying to leave the area with their shields……I mean children)


Not holding my breath
 
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He’s incredibly lacking in self awareness. He likes to play the victim while acting like a bully.
Saying MAD's personality is different here is not "acting like a victim," it is stating a fact that others have noticed as well. Kinda true with you too but your version is just trolling with every single post
 
"Historic Israel" has nothing to do with what I said or with the current political entity of Israel. Copying the name doesn't make it a special God country that gets to kill whoever it wants and call it morally good
"Copying the name"...
 
You write as if the conflict started in 2023. That's the only context in which Israel's ongoing actions can be claimed as defensive, and that defensive phase was over very soon after hamas' attack. With a longer view it looks very much like they're continuing seizure and clearance of land for settlements. Lebensraum, anyone?
You're omitting a key component of the UN definition of genocide and that's intent. Hamas had absolutely no hope and no apparent intent of clearing the areas they attacked of Israelis. Hence no genocide per definition. Israel, on the other hand ...
Well, no; I'd spoken in the prior deleted thread of 1800s history when Jewish groups began purchasing land from Turkish, Syrian, Jordanian landowners to re-establish Israel. When you're attacked multiple times with every Arab/Muslim entity around you vowing to erase you from the earth and you manage to survive that, you're a fooking idiot to not keep strategic land you've acquired. And those countries are fooking idiots for gambling with land and having any expectation of owning it again.

You seem to indirectly agree on how pointless the term 'genocide' has become. Hamas has clearly stated their intent - no Jews. What you're actually saying is that intent doesn't matter if the group lacks the practical wherewithal to clearing the area. I agree, but that's the problem with a literal, self-serving reading without considering the Armenian and Jewish holocaust origins. Hamas is a valid, governing military target; that is the 'group' Israel is 'genociding' and if anyone but Jews in Israel were doing it, it'd be just another country defending and securing their nation. Why don't the rules apply to a Jew state?

Israel could and probably should have cleared Israel - from river to sea - of Muslims long ago. Instead, they've allowed >2 million to be Israeli citizens and multiply, who apparently like it enough to not emigrate to an Arab country. To appease Westerners such as yourself, they gifted the Arab land (strategically captured from yet another Arab state seeking their destruction) and essentially created a 2nd state. Gaza should be viewed as the 2-state solution trial-run. All the Arabs had to do was simply live there, create a vibrant economy with seaside ports, and not turn it into a military launch pad. Instead, they - and Westerners who've parroted the Islamists - created this state of affairs. Welcome to your handiwork, anyone?
 
Well, no; I'd spoken in the prior deleted thread of 1800s history when Jewish groups began purchasing land from Turkish, Syrian, Jordanian landowners to re-establish Israel. When you're attacked multiple times with every Arab/Muslim entity around you vowing to erase you from the earth and you manage to survive that, you're a fooking idiot to not keep strategic land you've acquired. And those countries are fooking idiots for gambling with land and having any expectation of owning it again.

You seem to indirectly agree on how pointless the term 'genocide' has become. Hamas has clearly stated their intent - no Jews. What you're actually saying is that intent doesn't matter if the group lacks the practical wherewithal to clearing the area. I agree, but that's the problem with a literal, self-serving reading without considering the Armenian and Jewish holocaust origins. Hamas is a valid, governing military target; that is the 'group' Israel is 'genociding' and if anyone but Jews in Israel were doing it, it'd be just another country defending and securing their nation. Why don't the rules apply to a Jew state?

Israel could and probably should have cleared Israel - from river to sea - of Muslims long ago. Instead, they've allowed >2 million to be Israeli citizens and multiply, who apparently like it enough to not emigrate to an Arab country. To appease Westerners such as yourself, they gifted the Arab land (strategically captured from yet another Arab state seeking their destruction) and essentially created a 2nd state. Gaza should be viewed as the 2-state solution trial-run. All the Arabs had to do was simply live there, create a vibrant economy with seaside ports, and not turn it into a military launch pad. Instead, they - and Westerners who've parroted the Islamists - created this state of affairs. Welcome to your handiwork, anyone?
You're really dancing there with false assumptions, false history, false law, bigotry, and unrealistic expectations. You should try the same exercise using fact instead of fiction. Remember that Palestinians include Christians.
 

Picture agencies drop Gaza photographer after documentary reveals hunger images were staged​

Anas Zayed Fteiha, who works for the Turkish state-owned agency Anadolu, was filmed taking photos of Gazan children with empty bowls outstretched, despite not being at a food bank

 
You serious Clark? Lame AF

I wonder if the terrorists received written consent from the people at the music festival and families on the kibbutz before they filmed themselves raping and mutilating and lynching and torturing and murdering and abducting and looting these victims?

Anyways, The Islamic Republic of Canada came to their senses.

TIFF says Oct. 7 documentary can be shown in festival, reversing decision​

TIFF CEO Cameron Bailey released a statement where he apologized and said that he remains committed to allowing the film to be screened at this year’s festival.​

 
Still waiting on the condemnation of Hamas tactics like hiding in aid tents and shooting or dressing up as aid workers while fighting, or my favorite…taking children with you while attacking the IDF. (No luggage but Aks and an abandoned of ammo. Ya they were just trying to leave the area with their shields……I mean children)


Not holding my breath
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It is, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t criticize it. Helping a group that outspokenly wants to destroy my people should never ever be excused or defended and it’s beyond sad and disrespectful that people have defended it.
Absolutely that’s why I other than to oppose the PA I haven’t brought up motives for it because it’s speculation

And I agree but just because I want to see Hamas destroyed doesn’t mean I have to excuse everything Israel does

Israel's support was to a relatively peaceful M. Brotherhood leader's (Ahmed Yassin) unarmed network - Mujama' al-Islami - of schools, mosques, clinics, finance, and civic centers in Gaza from 1973 onward; then and now it is referred to as a Muslim charity network. This early support was to counterbalance a militant, nationalist Fatah/PLO and by public recognition lend credence to the organization and mitigate the potential for violent faction. That coincided with Egypt's Sadat inviting the Muslim Brotherhood back into the country under reformist leaders, in the 1970s. In fact, the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza did not join Arab boycotts of Israel following the 1967 Six Day War and Israeli taking of Gaza and West Bank.

With the First Intifada in December 1987, the network began reforming over the next 1.5 years into a nationalist group. It announced its existence and platform in August 1988, and launched attacks on Israel in spring 1989.

When did Israel support or help Hamas?
 
You're really dancing there with false assumptions, false history, false law, bigotry, and unrealistic expectations. You should try the same exercise using fact instead of fiction. Remember that Palestinians include Christians.
And yet you can't specify the false statements/claims you assert I'm making. Stop hedging and state your case. I'll make time to go point by point with you.
 

Picture agencies drop Gaza photographer after documentary reveals hunger images were staged​

Anas Zayed Fteiha, who works for the Turkish state-owned agency Anadolu, was filmed taking photos of Gazan children with empty bowls outstretched, despite not being at a food bank

I always get hungry at the sight of a Nikon with wide-angle lens, don't you?
 
Still waiting on the condemnation of Hamas tactics like hiding in aid tents and shooting or dressing up as aid workers while fighting, or my favorite…taking children with you while attacking the IDF. (No luggage but Aks and an abandoned of ammo. Ya they were just trying to leave the area with their shields……I mean children)


Not holding my breath
You already KNOW what the response will be. The Pallywood Bois will claim that it is really IDF soldiers pretending to be Palestinians pretending to be aid workers
 
And that is the problem of the Gazan; looks like anyone past toddler age is likely a cause lost to Hamas, and can't remain. There's no practical means to sort them.
It’s not just isolated to that region anymore.

 
"Viral misinformation" and it's caring about kids in Gaza, and "misinformation" only because some children had medical conditions on top of their circumstances which she also mentioned. Shameless
 
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Famine in Yemen.
War in Sudan.
Crisis in Congo.

Yet, Palestinians receive 10 to 35 times more aid per capita than people in need in other conflict zones.

All persons in need are equal, but apparently some are more equal than others.

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Wow...if I want that international ATM spitting dollars at me, I'm not picking Muslim oppressors.
 
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Official: Palestinian Hamas is now on the UN “blacklist” for sexual crimes in violent conflicts.

Rape. Gang rape. Genital mutilation. Sexual abuse in captivity - among the most horrific crimes humanity has ever seen.

The UN Secretary-General’s report, to be circulated today (Aug 14) to all General Assembly members, confirms what survivors and witnesses have told us for almost two years. In early 2024, UN Special Representative Pramila Patten documented these crimes in her investigation.

These crimes have not ceased. Hostages are still being sexually abused.

LET THEM GO NOW!
Hamas terror must end.

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