Israel vs Palestinians II

[MAD]

Unfortunately kids are raised in this environment of hate, it’s child abuse.

How Hamas turned kids into terrorists with TV show featuring jihadi mouse, bloodthirsty bunny​

How Hamas turned kids into terrorists with TV show featuring jihadi mouse, bloodthirsty bunny

Billed as educational programming to teach Islamic values to schoolchildren — much like a “Sesame Street” or “Barney & Friends” for the Middle East — “Tomorrow’s Pioneers” was a colorful, sing-…

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For anyone wondering how the ideologically-crazed fanatical fighters of Hamas came to be, the show offers some answers.

 

[CobbVol]

Yes and I hold Israel to a much higher standard than a terrorist org that oppresses and kills even their own citizens… Defend them without comparing their actions to scum

Without Israel backing Hamas they wouldn’t be involved in urban warfare either. And yet it gets excused and defended

Do you think Israel allowing funds to go to Gaza before 10/7 was to help the residents of Gaza and hopefully curtail the violence?

 

[Smokey123]

Do you think Israel allowing funds to go to Gaza before 10/7 was to help the residents of Gaza and hopefully curtail the violence?

Great question. The purpose was *supposed* to be humanitarian, but we knew long before 10/7 they divert funds away from their people and use them for military purposes. It was believed Hamas was on the verge of collapse because of financial concerns (would the IR have allowed that to happen?) if my neighbor wants to destroy my home and he’s on the verge of eviction am I bailing him out? No sane person says yes

I think it’s plausible (and very ignorant) Israel thought if they help Hamas they wouldn’t bite the hand that helped them

 

[CobbVol]

Great question. The purpose was *supposed* to be humanitarian, but we knew long before 10/7 they divert funds away from their people and use them for military purposes. It was believed Hamas was on the verge of collapse because of financial concerns (would the IR have allowed that to happen?) if my neighbor wants to destroy my home and he’s on the verge of eviction am I bailing him out? No sane person says yes

I think it’s plausible (and very ignorant) Israel thought if they help Hamas they wouldn’t bite the hand that helped them

Israel had the most the gain of anyone in the hopes Hamas would use the money wisely for its people and hopefully curtail the violence. How is that line of thinking ignorant? So pretty much the world was ignorant and fooled by Hamas as well?

 

[OrangeTsar]

It's funny what Zionism does to people. MAD was one of the nicest people on this board, but when Israel is involved it's all insults, propaganda and "no innocent lives in Gaza"

Please define “Zionism” so I know if I have it or not

 

[Smokey123]

Israel had the most the gain of anyone in the hopes Hamas would use the money wisely for its people and hopefully curtail the violence. How is that line of thinking ignorant? So pretty much the world was ignorant and fooled by Hamas as well?

When throughout Hamas’ history had they been peaceful, showed signs of coexisting and not oppressive? You can be hopeful all you want that doesn’t make it any less ignorant. I can play with a rattlesnake and hope it doesn’t bite me…

 

[EasternVol]

How To Make Genocide Meaningless, In One Easy Lesson!​

1944: The term was coined by Polish Jew Raphael Lemkin in reaction to the Jewish and Armenian exterminations, in each case an expression by a state to systemically eradicate a population. Whatever the later UN convention did to further ensconce it, that is the origin.
What's now missing is rather important.

The attempts to systemically eradicate the Jewish and Armenian populations within Germany (Middle East and wherever the Reich could find them) and the Ottoman Empire, is nothing like the defensive and security action by Israel. Did the German Jews and Armenians attack those governing bodies and force a defense and security action against them?

Where we do find commonality is governing bodies who did and do platform on the extinction of a "group", and makes the Nazi, Turk, and Hamas regimes kinfolk. Hamas gets a BOFCM on items 1, 2, 3, and 5. Erasing Jews, the raison d'être of Hamas, would certainly fulfill 4, too. Since we've turned the term into nothing more than a checklist of twitching biases, why not?

But using that indiscrete logic, we can certainly make the charge of genocide against Hamas. As Huff implies, there is no quantitative qualification for genocide; we simply have to have some group to some degree commit some acts resulting in death, to be 'genocide'.

The logical conclusion is that all conflicts are genocide and the term is meaningless. Or that genocide is subjective and again therefore, meaningless.

If it is to have meaning, its purpose must observe its origin; to declare criminal the unprovoked attacking and attempted eradication of a non-military population by a government. It is not to turn mutual military engagements into genocide discussions because there are civilian casualties.

To some, everyone but Jews may submit their attackers and stake their security future; they're always been forbidden when it comes to those who've sought their eradication.

You write as if the conflict started in 2023. That's the only context in which Israel's ongoing actions can be claimed as defensive, and that defensive phase was over very soon after hamas' attack. With a longer view it looks very much like they're continuing seizure and clearance of land for settlements. Lebensraum, anyone?
You're omitting a key component of the UN definition of genocide and that's intent. Hamas had absolutely no hope and no apparent intent of clearing the areas they attacked of Israelis. Hence no genocide per definition. Israel, on the other hand ...

 

[EasternVol]

Absolutely Israel is responsible for allowing Hamas to exist. 100% Israel is responsible for not taking preemptive actions when the warning signs of 10/7 first appeared.

And if Israel had destroyed Hamas years ago or when they got warning signs 10/7 was about to happen you, Huff, Nash and Eastern would all be condemning Israel for taking action.

There's many more than that one point at which Israel should have let hamas wither and die, or even encouraged said withering, but they repeatedly chose to support them. They shouldn't have propped them up to start with, and then shouldn't have continued to do so.
If Israel's response to advance knowledge of the attacks would have been to destroy Gaza, yeah I would have condemned it. As was mentioned in the previous thread many times, there are better ways to target hamas.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Israel's survival is not even remotely threatened. The entire conflict is taking place outside of Israel

Not historic Israel. All that land AND the West Bank are actually Israel. Given to the Jews by God Almighty. The God of Isaac and Jacob. They will hopefully all be returned soon. The Temple will be rebuilt and we will ALL pull on out of here.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Neither, he is talking about the Palestinians who demanded ethnic cleansing of Jews from Gaza in the 2000's as a precondition for "peace".

The very same muslim people who were generously offered a "2 state solution" in which Israel gave them their own lands and even supplied water, electricity, and food to them since they're too inept to produce these basic necessities themselves like every other modern society on planet Earth....

Who REFUSED to accept those terms and has violenty waged war and terrorism against those Jews the entire time. Refusing the very generous 2 state solution because eradication of ALL the Jews was the only acceptable outcome to them. Those same people.

So now the shoe is on the other foot and Israel is gonna give them exactly what they have always demanded. A fight to the death. So now of course they are the "victims" except that they are the rapists, muderers, kidnappers and terrorists.

From the river to the sea

 

[NashVol11]

Not historic Israel. All that land AND the West Bank are actually Israel. Given to the Jews by God Almighty. The God of Isaac and Jacob. They will hopefully all be returned soon. The Temple will be rebuilt and we will ALL pull on out of here.

"Historic Israel" has nothing to do with what I said or with the current political entity of Israel. Copying the name doesn't make it a special God country that gets to kill whoever it wants and call it morally good

 

[Ritzwatch]

You write as if the conflict started in 2023. That's the only context in which Israel's ongoing actions can be claimed as defensive, and that defensive phase was over very soon after hamas' attack. With a longer view it looks very much like they're continuing seizure and clearance of land for settlements. Lebensraum, anyone?
You're omitting a key component of the UN definition of genocide and that's intent. Hamas had absolutely no hope and no apparent intent of clearing the areas they attacked of Israelis. Hence no genocide per definition. Israel, on the other hand ...

Yeah. Killing every Jew one can kill within a specific geographic area evidences absolutely zero intent to “clear the area” of those Jews.

 

[MAD]

Not historic Israel. All that land AND the West Bank are actually Israel. Given to the Jews by God Almighty. The God of Isaac and Jacob. They will hopefully all be returned soon. The Temple will be rebuilt and we will ALL pull on out of here.

 

[MAD]

SURPRISE SURPRISE




SICKENING BUT NOT SURPRISED: The UN 'quietly' changed the definition of "famine"—just for Gaza.

Not for Sudan.
Not for Somalia.
Not for South Sudan.
ONLY FOR GAZA

They cut the malnutrition threshold in half
Switched to a less reliable metric (MUAC)
Used unverifiable, Hamas-linked “data”
Buried the changes in a footnote

Any organization that rewrites its own rules to achieve a political outcome loses all legitimacy.
They should be ashamed.
We should stop funding them.

 

[Ritzwatch]

SURPRISE SURPRISE




SICKENING BUT NOT SURPRISED: The UN 'quietly' changed the definition of "famine"—just for Gaza.

Not for Sudan.
Not for Somalia.
Not for South Sudan.
ONLY FOR GAZA

They cut the malnutrition threshold in half
Switched to a less reliable metric (MUAC)
Used unverifiable, Hamas-linked “data”
Buried the changes in a footnote

Any organization that rewrites its own rules to achieve a political outcome loses all legitimacy.
They should be ashamed.
We should stop funding them.

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Feels like this belongs in the “That’s Racist”thread.

Not instead of this one; in addition to.

 

[MAD]

AND

Famine in Yemen.
War in Sudan.
Crisis in Congo.

Yet, Palestinians receive 10 to 35 times more aid per capita than people in need in other conflict zones.

All persons in need are equal, but apparently some are more equal than others.

 

[Ritzwatch]

AND

Famine in Yemen.
War in Sudan.
Crisis in Congo.

Yet, Palestinians receive 10 to 35 times more aid per capita than people in need in other conflict zones.

All persons in need are equal, but apparently some are more equal than others.

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True international aid hasn’t worked because it hasn’t really been tried yet.

It is like communism in that regard.

Wait til they show you how it is really done, you know, like they have done it in Haiti.

 

[MAD]

Please define “Zionism” so I know if I have it or not

Probably…..

 

[Vol8188]

Probably…..

I enjoy when they tell you about all that scary Zionist money. Weird…George Soros puts a whole lot more money into politics than any Zionist or Zionist group.

 

[MAD]

Do not watch if scenes of a famine and genocide disturb you.

 

[MAD]

I enjoy when they tell you about all that scary Zionist money. Weird…George Soros puts a whole lot more money into politics than any Zionist or Zionist group.

You see what Zionism does to people according to Nash.
I’ve turned into this wicked devil apparently.

It's funny what Zionism does to people. MAD was one of the nicest people on this board, but when Israel is involved it's all insults, propaganda and "no innocent lives in Gaza"

 

[NashVol11]

You see what Zionism does to people according to Nash.
I’ve turned into this wicked devil apparently.

It's funny what Zionism does to people. MAD was one of the nicest people on this board, but when Israel is involved it's all insults, propaganda and "no innocent lives in Gaza"

According to everyone in this thread but the Israeli propagandists*

You were the one saying "let's be nicer" too lmao, take your own advice Mr. No Innocent Lives. I bet there is no other thread where you spam and copy-paste thousands of words a day about how starvation is fake.

As I've said a million times, just let any Israel supporter talk and many of them will end up at "no innocents" including yourself

 

[MAD]

Great point.

Imagine putting your entire business/wealth/worth in the hands of a 20 something year old girl. I know from personal experience that 20 something year old girls are about as reliable as toddlers. They change their minds constantly, operate entirely based on emotions...not logic or reaon...and they're terribly irresponsible. Most of them crash and burn regularly. Imagine putting the fate of your entire billion dollar company in HER hands. As well as the livelihoods of all the employees that actually do develop, produce, distribute, and sell your product. They all lose too. Imagine putting your entire lifes work in the hands of this girl. No thanks.

Here is another idiot. She actually thought it was a good idea to record and post this.

 

[MAD]

 

[Orangeslice13]

You see what Zionism does to people according to Nash.
I’ve turned into this wicked devil apparently.

It's funny what Zionism does to people. MAD was one of the nicest people on this board, but when Israel is involved it's all insults, propaganda and "no innocent lives in Gaza"

He’s incredibly lacking in self awareness. He likes to play the victim while acting like a bully.