President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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Majors said:
It already has. You’re tolerant of illegals invading and taking advantage of your family, my family but somehow found fabricated rage when it’s addressed. I do agree, it’s probably not 21M but higher.
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No illegal has taken advantage of my family, only times I have been cheated or robbed was Americans.

So what exactly eggs on your hatred of immigrants? What advantages have they taken of you?
 
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swampfoxfan said:
No illegal has taken advantage of my family, only times I have been cheated or robbed was Americans.

So what exactly eggs on your hatred of immigrants? What advantages have they taken of you?
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i guess it depends on how you look at things.

take for instance the FEMA funding that was going to illegals before, and now going to jail them. do you consider that funding going from helping Americans during a time of crisis to dealing with foreigners the fault of the government (americans) or the foreigners?
 
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swampfoxfan said:
No illegal has taken advantage of my family, only times I have been cheated or robbed was Americans.

So what exactly eggs on your hatred of immigrants? What advantages have they taken of you?
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They are taking advantage of everyone, they're here illegally. And you have condoned it if not encouraged it. This isn't complex.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
How have you, specifically, been taken advantage of by undocumented immigrants?
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They steal my tax dollars in multiple forms including but not limited to extra security, extra enforcement, extra benefits, etc. Furthermore, the impact of the criminals impacts us directly with hospital bills that aren't paid, liabilities that aren't paid (I can give you examples if you wish), etc. If you wanted to live in Honduras, you would be there so apparently it directly contributes i.e. additional criminal behavior, etc.

Its like saying, the murderer didn't kill me so the murderer has no impact on me - yes, the murderer has an impact on all society.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Most of us are. So how have they taken advantage of your family more than let's say, the tarriffs Trump has levied? Which one can you show having an immediate impact today?

(Hint:the answer is tarriffs)

No one should correlate libtard rage with Trump doing a good job. The libs are always gonna be frothy foam mouthed when not in power.
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I'd say wage depression as well and a larger increase in prices then tariffs due to demands on products.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
They steal my tax dollars in multiple forms including but not limited to extra security, extra enforcement, extra benefits, etc. Furthermore, the impact of the criminals impacts us directly with hospital bills that aren't paid, liabilities that aren't paid (I can give you examples if you wish), etc. If you wanted to live in Honduras, you would be there so apparently it directly contributes i.e. additional criminal behavior, etc.

Its like saying, the murderer didn't kill me so the murderer has no impact on me - yes, the murderer has an impact on all society.
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Trump has stolen more of your tax dollars than illegal immigrants.

I doubt you actually pay much in taxes
 
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BeardedVol said:
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The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated that by FY 2034, outlays for benefits provided to the "surge population" (immigrants who entered the US unlawfully, overstayed a visa, or were paroled between FY 2021 and 2024) and their children will total $177 billion.

So we give free benefits of 177b and bring in 97b in tax..that's called a net loss..do you math?

the net cost of illegal immigration for the United States at the start of 2023 at the federal, state, and local levels was at least $150.7 billion
 
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BeardedVol said:
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This is crazy in two ways.
First, the only way this is true is for the "undocumented immigrants" are using falsified credentials for employment. If this data can be quantified, it seems to me the tracking of the falsified identification could also be tracked.
Secondly, you can find this quickly but have sidestepped the questions about increases in immigration from earlier in the week.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated that by FY 2034, outlays for benefits provided to the "surge population" (immigrants who entered the US unlawfully, overstayed a visa, or were paroled between FY 2021 and 2024) and their children will total $177 billion.

So we give free benefits of 177b and bring in 97b in tax..that's called a net loss..do you math?

the net cost of illegal immigration for the United States at the start of 2023 at the federal, state, and local levels was at least $150.7 billion
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The estimate you are trying to to refer to is that it would add $177 billion to mandatory spending between 2024-2034, roughly $18 billion/year, not $177 billion each year.

While paying ~$59 billion in federal taxes each year.

Do you need the basic math done for you as well?
 
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McDad said:
This is crazy in two ways.
First, the only way this is true is for the "undocumented immigrants" are using falsified credentials for employment. If this data can be quantified, it seems to me the tracking of the falsified identification could also be tracked.
Secondly, you can find this quickly but have sidestepped the questions about increases in immigration from earlier in the week.
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www.thetaxadviser.com

Taxation of undocumented immigrants

Certain tax rules and considerations specifically affect undocumented immigrants in the United States and their common circumstances, such as being ineligible for certain tax credits.
www.thetaxadviser.com www.thetaxadviser.com
 
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BeardedVol said:
The estimate you are trying to to refer to is that it would add $177 billion to mandatory spending between 2024-2034, roughly $18 billion/year, not $177 billion each year.

While paying ~$59 billion in federal taxes each year.

Do you need the basic math done for you as well?
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The last paragraph... We spend more in entitlements then they pay on taxes. it's a net loss.

Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR): Estimates that in 2023, the net cost of illegal immigration at the federal, state, and local levels totaled approximately $150.7 billion, after accounting for their tax contributions.
 
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hog88 said:
How much do/have the states spent?
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Considering that the red states that you care about are getting most of their budgets from th federal government, it's a moot question, but the total state taxes estimate is in the image I posted earlier.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
You realize the CBO and economist are correct in their projections 23% of the time for a 10 year projections.. Notice the FAIR that I quoted.. That shows after taxes, the actual numbers it's a net loss..
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Lol, you literally cited the CBO when you erroneously thought that it was $177 billion/year increase.

So why are you trying to discredit them now?

Is it really that hard for you to accept that you were wrong?
 
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