Israel vs Palestinians

[n_huffhines]

thanks - still blaming this on Israel is a stretch

when college students protest a speaker do you blame it on the speaker or the political party they may be affiliated with?

IDK? What's an example of this?

This is a comedian who supports a state responsible for mass murder of civilians and he got canceled from a comedy venue, not a college speaking event. I don't see much in common nor do I understand the point of the exercise. I'm not even sure what you mean by "blame Israel." He's getting canceled for his position in support of Israel. How we split up the blame pie wasn't really the point.

 

[Orangeslice13]

There are many exit polls that demonstrate high percentages of Jewish voters supporting Kamala Harris – this CNN/Edison exit poll indicates that 78 percent of Jewish voters supported Kamala Harris, while 22 percent supported Donald Trump. According to this poll, 88 percent of Jewish women and 71 percent of Jewish men supported Kamala Harris over Trump.
The Jewish Vote Came Through for Democrats

Think about it, the Arab attack occurred Oct 2023. Jewish voters had more than a year as real-time witness to the anti-Jewish explosion on the left on our streets, campuses, and legislatures. Not to mention the animosity displayed by the Biden admin to Israel, and indifference to domestic anti-Jew intimidation and violence. They literally watched Jews not attend classes or be escorted and attend functions in groups, they've watched BDS mushroom, and they still vote Democrat nearly 80%. When they had a clearly more friendly voice for Jews everywhere, in Donald Trump.

The thing lost in this is the percentage of Jews that actually vote.

 

[OrangeTsar]

**** them.

We're all just idiots making stuff up on our way.

Israel is going full pants-on-head retarded and trying to push Trump to do things like link American disaster aid to Israeli support because they know that even half (or more) of conservatives below the age of 40 know they're FOS. We're all tired of this brainless and lazy boomer trope that standing against the outright evil of Israel and not wanting our own damn country paying for it is somehow "anti-semitic".

Heck, we're even seeing an outright rejection of the century-old made-up heresy of "the rapture" that requires Israel to be some world superpower in our churches. Evangelicals wonder why they go to church and only 15 people show up, without thinking that it's probably because you spend half the service using a line of the Bible from before Israel existed to support murder and violence (totally in line with Jesus' preaching and the New Testament, by the way) rather than condemning evil and preaching anything of value. Nobody but the generation of weak men that have created this world we're in now wants to be associated with that trash.

Uuuuuuh, most “evangelical churches” are growing so fast they can hardly keep up. If you want a church with only 15 members showing up, go to some liberal United Methodist or Presbyterian churches with a female pastor wearing rainbow vestements.
All of the largest churches in my area are evangelical.
And evangelicals don’t say that Israel has to be a superpower. Quite the contrary, most evangelicals interpret prophecy as showing Israel as a tiny nation facing overwhelming odds as the entire world gangs up against it.
It isn’t Israel that goes into the Valley of Armageddon as the favorite you know.
And as to the rapture being “heresy”; please explain this passage by the Apostle Paul

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Analogies are a form of philosophy. A mental exercise, a sanity check.
'Dumb' is having a guttural - literal - reaction, rather than doing the mental exercise.

Most on here won’t go there because it devalues their views if not destroys them

 

[Orangeslice13]

I was listening to a person talk about that. He said that Jews are the living proof that God is real

I know I am.

 

[NCFisher]

Same thing I just walked away from with this guy.

I asked a question and got fifteen paragraphs of pseudo-intellectual spewage that had nothing to do with anything. It's a very old man with no original thought playing professor on the internet.

lol I couldn’t care less about the question itself and making it personal. Using bad faith hypotheticals is the lowest form of “debating” it does no good and doesn’t benefit anything

Now you’re changing the hypothetical and using strawman

It's pretty simple, guys; either Israel has the right to defend itself against the government Hamas, even when Gazan citizens are casualties, or they don't. I think they unquestionably do and the Palestinian Arab made their bed with them and the Arafat death-cult decades ago.

Anyone who thinks they don't can address it as they like, but they typically don't like to recognize it as a basic question of self-defense. Which applies to themself or an entire group of people, in real life.

Which is the purpose of the analogy.

So, both a practical and philosophical take; that should make everyone happy.

 

[MAD]

It's pretty simple, guys; either Israel has the right to defend itself against the government Hamas, even when Gazan citizens are casualties, or they don't. I think they unquestionably do and the Palestinian Arab made their bed with them and the Arafat death-cult decades ago.

Anyone who thinks they don't can address it as they like, but they typically don't like to recognize it as a basic question of self-defense. Which applies to themself or an entire group of people, in real life.

Which is the purpose of the analogy.

So, both a practical and philosophical take; that should make everyone happy.

 

[jp1]

They could have had them back. Netanyahu declined the hostage agreement because he wants Palestinians ethnically cleansed from Gaza.

Bro, you can't even admit that Palestinians are starving. You are in denial of something everybody else is saying except Israel, who will not allow journalists into Gaza to independently report it.

You are hopeless. This hostage exchange refusal by Netanyahu has been explained to you. It's not the only time he did it, but it's the first time he admitted what his real goal was.

Who is starving them?

Not sure if I'm on ignore, or you just missed the question. Who in your opinion is starving them?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

A reprehensible take.

What about a family member then?

 

[NCFisher]

lol I couldn’t care less about the question itself and making it personal. Using bad faith hypotheticals is the lowest form of “debating” it does no good and doesn’t benefit anything

Now you’re changing the hypothetical and using strawman

No idea WTF you're referring to. Perhaps you didn't understand the analogized 'neighborhood' referred to is the multiple Arab states Israel has had to war with multiple times to achieve a detente. At any rate, not sure I care what your thought process is.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

There are many exit polls that demonstrate high percentages of Jewish voters supporting Kamala Harris – this CNN/Edison exit poll indicates that 78 percent of Jewish voters supported Kamala Harris, while 22 percent supported Donald Trump. According to this poll, 88 percent of Jewish women and 71 percent of Jewish men supported Kamala Harris over Trump.
The Jewish Vote Came Through for Democrats

Think about it, the Arab attack occurred Oct 2023. Jewish voters had more than a year as real-time witness to the anti-Jewish explosion on the left on our streets, campuses, and legislatures. Not to mention the animosity displayed by the Biden admin to Israel, and indifference to domestic anti-Jew intimidation and violence. They literally watched Jews not attend classes or be escorted and attend functions in groups, they've watched BDS mushroom, and they still vote Democrat nearly 80%. When they had a clearly more friendly voice for Jews everywhere, in Donald Trump.

I will never understand that.

 

[KB5252]

IDK? What's an example of this?

This is a comedian who supports a state responsible for mass murder of civilians and he got canceled from a comedy venue, not a college speaking event. I don't see much in common nor do I understand the point of the exercise. I'm not even sure what you mean by "blame Israel." He's getting canceled for his position in support of Israel. How we split up the blame pie wasn't really the point.

According to some reports the show got cancelled because there were threats made to the performer/venue.

That isn't organic it's a minority shutting down protected speech by force. Odd to me you would support that.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Zionist comedian Michael Rappaport had his comedy show in Alabama cancelled by the venue because of backlash.

Israel's done such harm to their reputation that this is an actual reality in the entertainment industry, of all places.

Looks like this aged well

 

[EasternVol]

They have the means to wipe Palestinians out completely. If their goal was to indiscriminately kill Palestinians they would no longer exist in Gaza for all intents and purposes.

There are at least 3 or 4 conflicts from Africa in the last 20 years alone that have resulted in hundreds of thousands dead in each conflict. People spread over thousands of square miles. That kind of killing takes serious effort and dedication, they were sought out for extermination. Most of those barely got a blurb on international media outside of Africa because they aren't the chosen affinity group for college professors, students and media.

Women targeted for sexual violence, Men women and children executed, tortured. All because of their tribal or religious affiliation.

You asked, those were examples of genocide. And while tragic, the sheer number of people killed compared to the population crammed together like sardines......... 60k killed (per NPR days ago) in an urban guerilla conflict doesn't scream genocide to me.

It may come off cold and I'm in no way diminishing Palestinian suffering, but they aren't being targeted for wholesale extermination. And if what is happening in Gaza is genocide then the term genocide applies to every documented conflict fought in history.

It seems you're leaving out the component of specific intent. Yes without that every squabble looks to meet one defined action or another.
If Israel did try to kill every Gazan they'd face loss of funding and cooperation from their sponsors. They're taking a more methodical tack.

 

[EasternVol]

There are many exit polls that demonstrate high percentages of Jewish voters supporting Kamala Harris – this CNN/Edison exit poll indicates that 78 percent of Jewish voters supported Kamala Harris, while 22 percent supported Donald Trump. According to this poll, 88 percent of Jewish women and 71 percent of Jewish men supported Kamala Harris over Trump.
The Jewish Vote Came Through for Democrats

Think about it, the Arab attack occurred Oct 2023. Jewish voters had more than a year as real-time witness to the anti-Jewish explosion on the left on our streets, campuses, and legislatures. Not to mention the animosity displayed by the Biden admin to Israel, and indifference to domestic anti-Jew intimidation and violence. They literally watched Jews not attend classes or be escorted and attend functions in groups, they've watched BDS mushroom, and they still vote Democrat nearly 80%. When they had a clearly more friendly voice for Jews everywhere, in Donald Trump.

To say that Biden-Harris was anti-Israel is ludicrous. You're living in a dream if you really believe all that.
Biden pushed every weapon he could there, sent military assistance, falsified reports to keep the aid flowing, and slammed protesters. Harris would have continued the same policies.

 

[Smokey123]

It's pretty simple, guys; either Israel has the right to defend itself against the government Hamas, even when Gazan citizens are casualties, or they don't. I think they unquestionably do and the Palestinian Arab made their bed with them and the Arafat death-cult decades ago.

Anyone who thinks they don't can address it as they like, but they typically don't like to recognize it as a basic question of self-defense. Which applies to themself or an entire group of people, in real life.

Which is the purpose of the analogy.

So, both a practical and philosophical take; that should make everyone happy.

Killing thousands of children isn’t self defense. Hamas opposed Arafat when he changed his policies on Israel, Israel supported Hamas to have a strong opposition to the PA/PLO. So not sure what youre going for with bringing him up

 

[ButchPlz]

Uuuuuuh, most “evangelical churches” are growing so fast they can hardly keep up. If you want a church with only 15 members showing up, go to some liberal United Methodist or Presbyterian churches with a female pastor wearing rainbow vestements.
All of the largest churches in my area are evangelical.
And evangelicals don’t say that Israel has to be a superpower. Quite the contrary, most evangelicals interpret prophecy as showing Israel as a tiny nation facing overwhelming odds as the entire world gangs up against it.
It isn’t Israel that goes into the Valley of Armageddon as the favorite you know.
And as to the rapture being “heresy”; please explain this passage by the Apostle Paul

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Evangelical megachurches that preach prosperity gospel certainly are "growing", in that they have large crowds and lots of member turnover once people are not spiritually fulfilled. The average evangelical church is absolutely not growing nationwide- if anything, membership is stagnant, with only certain charismatic churches growing. You're right- more conservative, traditional churches are finding serious, sustainable growth and success; this does not include churhces that preach a century-old Biblical interpretation created by a Scotsman in the late 1800s and foisted on America by a man with a literal lifetime of theft and fraud (which, I suppose, is par for the course for the average moneygrubbing American pastor). PS: 70% of American churches have less than 100 members, and average well below that in regular attendance.

Regarding the verse- I'll let Matthew Henry (1 Thessalonians 4 Commentary - Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible (Complete)) and Albert Barnes (1 Thessalonians 4 Barnes' Notes), who are much smarter than you, demonstrate how the church thought about those passages before Darby's creative re-interpretation. Have you spent any time at all actually studying this, or did old Pastor Jimmy Joe's insistence that it's correct do it for you? Brainlessly adhering to a bizarre interpretation of a single line of scripture that originated from a fringe movement in the 1800s essentially makes you the equivalent of a Mormon, which is hilarious. God explicitly tells you you have a mind that you are supposed to use to love Him, no?

 

[MAD]

It seems you're leaving out the component of specific intent. Yes without that every squabble looks to meet one defined action or another.
If Israel did try to kill every Gazan they'd face loss of funding and cooperation from their sponsors. They're taking a more methodical tack.

Where is your proof?

 

[KB5252]

It seems you're leaving out the component of specific intent. Yes without that every squabble looks to meet one defined action or another.
If Israel did try to kill every Gazan they'd face loss of funding and cooperation from their sponsors. They're taking a more methodical tack.

I disagree, the rates of death have fallen sharply as Hamas targets have decreased have they not? It looks to me the goal has always been to target Hamas.

And it's been said from the beginning they were bombing indiscriminately and that funding and cooperation didn't dry up. It seems to me you're either agreeing that they weren't bombing indiscriminately or you were completely wrong about the sponsors funding and support drying up......... According to your scenario you can't have it both ways, they are directly contradicting.........so Which is it?

 

[Smokey123]

No idea WTF you're referring to. Perhaps you didn't understand the analogized 'neighborhood' referred to is the multiple Arab states Israel has had to war with multiple times to achieve a detente. At any rate, not sure I care what your thought process is.

I’m fully aware of the analogy. Kind of why I said it’s the lowest form of “debate”

 

[MAD]

IDK? What's an example of this?

This is a comedian who supports a state responsible for mass murder of civilians and he got canceled from a comedy venue, not a college speaking event. I don't see much in common nor do I understand the point of the exercise. I'm not even sure what you mean by "blame Israel." He's getting canceled for his position in support of Israel. How we split up the blame pie wasn't really the point.

You are repeating lies from Hamas. Hamas controls all the news coming out of Gaza.




MUST WATCH

AP Whistleblower Exposes Gaza Reporting “AP Removes Facts from Gaza to Comply With Hamas Threats”

“I was a reporter for the AP. Between 2006 and the very end of 2011, as far as I know, I was the first staffer to erase information from the story because we were threatened by Hamas, which happened at the very end of 2011, and a great reporter in Gaza, Palestinian, who had always been really an excellent reporter. We had a detail in a story, and the detail was a crucial one. It was that Hamas fighters were dressed as civilians and were being counted as civilians in the death toll, and that went out in Navy’s story. He called me a few hours later, and he said, “Matzi, have to take that detail out of the story.” And it was clear that someone had threatened him.

I took the detail out of the story. I suggested to our editors that we note an editor’s note that we were now complying with Hamas censorship. I was overruled. From that point in time, the AP, like all of its sister organizations, collaborates with Hamas censorship in Gaza.

What does that mean? You’ll see a lot of good civilians, you don’t see the militants. You won’t have a clear idea of what the Hamas military strategy is. And this is the kicker—the center of the coverage will be a casualty number that is provided to the press by something called the Gaza Health Ministry, which is Hamas.

So since 2008, certainly since 2014, when we had another serious war in Gaza, the press has not been covering in Gaza. The press has been essentially an amplifier for one of the most vicious ideologies on Earth, which has figured out how to make the press amplify its messaging rather than cover Hamas.

There are no Western reporters in Gaza. All of the reporters in Gaza are Palestinians, and those people fall into three categories. Some of them identify with Hamas. Some of them are intimidated by Hamas and won’t cross lines, which makes a lot of sense—I wouldn’t want to cross them either. And the third category is people who actually belong to Hamas.

That’s where the information from Gaza has come from: a fear of prejudice that the forms are going to get a story that makes Israel look pretty bad.”

 

[ButchPlz]

It's pretty simple, guys; either Israel has the right to defend itself against the government Hamas, even when Gazan citizens are casualties, or they don't. I think they unquestionably do and the Palestinian Arab made their bed with them and the Arafat death-cult decades ago.

Anyone who thinks they don't can address it as they like, but they typically don't like to recognize it as a basic question of self-defense. Which applies to themself or an entire group of people, in real life.

Which is the purpose of the analogy.

So, both a practical and philosophical take; that should make everyone happy.

Well, then, following your logic, once Israel also attacks (especially and including Gazan civilian casualties), those "Palestinian Arab (sic)", many of whom have not actually participated in any attack or "made their bed" with anyone other than just existing in a place, also have a right to self defense. It's like telling the mountain Appalachian people in Virginia they've "made their bed" with Richmond- which anyone that's been anywhere knows is probably not the whole story- so they deserve whatever comes their way, damn them!

Either way, what you're advocating for is perpetual violence. Brilliant stuff, Prof. I'll sign up for your course next time I'm down around the remedial school.

 

[EasternVol]

Give them credit where credit is due, they are winning the propaganda warfare and Jews everywhere are suffering. You are one of the useful idiots helping them spread their lies. And it hasn’t gone unnoticed that the biggest antisemite on this board is the first person to post when Jews get canceled.


One photo was staged. The other debunked it.

While @BILD revealed how Hamas photographers engineer scenes for propaganda, Time Magazine plays into the propaganda.

This is how Pallywood works:
Manufactured emotion. Media complicity. Truth discarded.

@TIME Where is your retraction?

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Israel and their supporters complaining about propaganda is rich. Yes both sides lie.

 

[ButchPlz]

To say that Biden-Harris was anti-Israel is ludicrous. You're living in a dream if you really believe all that.
Biden pushed every weapon he could there, sent military assistance, falsified reports to keep the aid flowing, and slammed protesters. Harris would have continued the same policies.

Since Prof. Revisionist History has already forgotten (unsurprising), here are a wide variety of sources with various takes showing Biden maintained the status quo towards Israel in his admin:



Biden’s ‘Bear Hug’ of Israel Is a Failure

What does supporting Israel mean for the US? – DW – 10/03/2024

In the escalating conflicts in the Middle East, the US remains a steadfast supporter of Israel. Experts say Washington may even support Israel in a war with Iran. The issue could affect the outcome of the US election.

www.dw.com

The High Cost of Biden’s Policy of Unconditional Support for Israel

Beyond hobbling Kamala Harris’s campaign, Biden is leaving behind a disaster that will last decades.

www.thenation.com

PS: US sent $17+ BILLION of our taxpayer dollars to Israel from October 2023 to the end of Biden's term.

 

[EasternVol]

Where is your proof?

Proof that they're making Gaza unlivable? Or something else?