Israel vs Palestinians

[Orangeslice13]

Still waiting for someone to explain this to me. My instincts are that it's crap but...

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/28/nx-s1-5482881/israel-gaza-genocide-rights-groups-btselem-physicians

This is very much like democrats saying trump is bad

 

[OrangeTsar]

Not sure if misread or intentionally misrepresenting, but he’s speaking about Jewish people in Israel.

Where do you believe they should is the question.

European Jews in the 1930s were told to „Go backs to where you came from“. On 1948; they did just that. Ever since, the „anti Zionists“ have told them to go back to Europe.
They can‘t win can they?
They could all move to Mars and the haters would call them „colonizers“ and demand they leave

 

[Orangeslice13]

Ya kinda do.

He knows

 

[Orangeslice13]

The only path to peace in the area is for one side to be completely annihilated.

There’s just no way this has been given the green light unless the rest of the Arab nation that want to normalize relations have agreed to it.

 

[McDad]

There’s just no way this has been given the green light unless the rest of the Arab nation that want to normalize relations have agreed to it.

Peace also works if the Arab world annihilates Israel. Well, at least to the point of having the normal strife we see chronic between muslim sects.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Peace also works if the Arab world defeats annihilates Israel. Well, at least to the point of having the normal strife we see chronic between muslim sects.

You’re absolutely correct in that both sides have made it clear they can’t coexist.

I believe Hamas thought 10/07 would kick off the Muslim nations around them to join the fight. The goal was to eliminate Israel.

What you’ve sown is usually what you reap.

 

[McDad]

You’re absolutely correct in that both sides have made it clear they can’t coexist.

I believe Hamas thought 10/07 would kick off the Muslim nations around them to join the fight. The goal was to eliminate Israel.

What you’ve sown is usually what you reap.

If that was their goal, it was an poorly thought attempt. The only way to galvanize all the surrounding Muslims against Israel, is to be peaceful and passive while showing Israel continues to be aggressive.

But that is not the culture of Hamas.

 

[hndog609]

hopefully not to Palestine, Texas.

Totally off subject but on my way to the TX cousins place it's basically ceremonial to stop at the Church's Chicken in Palestine.

 

[McDad]

Totally off subject but on my way to the TX cousins place it's basically ceremonial to stop at the Church's Chicken in Palestine.

I've heard it is really pretty there. It's close to a national forest.

 

[OrangeTsar]

How are Jews in America being pressured to move elsewhere?

You obviously are unfamiliar with the „anti Zionist“ pogroms on college campuses of late. (Note they harangue anyone Jewsish without even questioning them about the Israeli government).
Or the two Israeli countries embassy employees recently murdered in cold blood simply for being Jewish.
Or the boycott efforts against Jewish companies or businesses.
Now where have we seen those before?

 

[EasternVol]

Quick way to identify an antisemite…..ask them where the Jews SHOULD live and the answer will invariably be somewhere other than were they currently abide.
They will accept no legitimate Jewish homeland. Wherever they go, they will be pressured into moving elsewhere

Do you think people who want Jews to move from next door to another country far away aren't antisemites?

 

[hndog609]

I've heard it is really pretty there. It's close to a national forest.

There's a really pretty lake called Lake Palestine, though it's actually much closer to Tyler.

I was at that Church's talking to a couple dude's in 2005 while they were telling stories of watching Adrian Peterson play there in HS. This was summer after Peterson had gone bonkers as a Fr at OK.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Do you think people who want Jews to move from next door to another country far away aren't antisemites?

I think you just 100 percent agreed with my point. Thank you

 

[OrangeTsar]

Israeli border in 1948


Israeli border in 2025 if the Arabs could have refrained from starting wars against Israel

 

[EasternVol]

European Jews in the 1930s were told to „Go backs to where you came from“. On 1948; they did just that. Ever since, the „anti Zionists“ have told them to go back to Europe.
They can‘t win can they?
They could all move to Mars and the haters would call them „colonizers“ and demand they leave

As long as the immigration's legal and nobody tries to run off or rule over any existing residents, what's the problem?

 

[EasternVol]

Ya kinda do.

Negative.

 

[EasternVol]

If that was their goal, it was an poorly thought attempt. The only way to galvanize all the surrounding Muslims against Israel, is to be peaceful and passive while showing Israel continues to be aggressive.

But that is not the culture of Hamas.

That being peaceful and passive hasn't done the PA any good at all.

 

[EasternVol]

You obviously are unfamiliar with the „anti Zionist“ pogroms on college campuses of late. (Note they harangue anyone Jewsish without even questioning them about the Israeli government).
Or the two Israeli countries embassy employees recently murdered in cold blood simply for being Jewish.
Or the boycott efforts against Jewish companies or businesses.
Now where have we seen those before?
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Pogroms? Earth to Tsar....

 

[McDad]

That being peaceful and passive hasn't done the PA any good at all.

They haven't done that. I think they are incapable.

When encountering a stronger force with more resources, you have to appeal to the sympathies to garner legitimate support. People will join the cause if they are emotionally motivated.

 

[EasternVol]

I think you just 100 percent agreed with my point. Thank you

In part.

 

[EasternVol]

They haven't done that. I think they are incapable.

When encountering a stronger force with more resources, you have to appeal to the sympathies to garner legitimate support. People will join the cause if they are emotionally motivated.

They haven't done that how?

 

[hog88]

You’re absolutely correct in that both sides have made it clear they can’t coexist.

I believe Hamas thought 10/07 would kick off the Muslim nations around them to join the fight. The goal was to eliminate Israel.

What you’ve sown is usually what you reap.

I’m of the mind that Hamas thought the US would step in and stop or greatly mitigate Israel’s response to 10/7

 

[McDad]

They haven't done that how?

Think of everything you see palestinians or hamas do. Whether it is a response to Israel or provoke Israel. Doesn't matter. Those things are not part of the plan of peaceful, passive existence. If they are peaceful and passive while Israel is still aggressive, they expedite the support they would generate.

 

[MAD]

European Jews in the 1930s were told to „Go backs to where you came from“. On 1948; they did just that. Ever since, the „anti Zionists“ have told them to go back to Europe.
They can‘t win can they?
They could all move to Mars and the haters would call them „colonizers“ and demand they leave

100%




GO BACK TO PALESTINE

For two millennia, Europeans knew very well where Jews come from.
Europeans referred to Jews as “Oriental,” that is, not European.

In the eighteenth century, Prussian philosopher Immanuel Kant described Jews in Europe as the “Palestinians living among us.” The first Palestinian Arab to ever identify as Palestinian was Khalil Beidas, in 1898, over 100 years later.



A Nazi-era children’s board game, “Juden Raus!” — meaning “Jews out!” — invited the players to round up the Jews and deport them to Palestine.


A photograph from Norway depicts a Jewish storefront defaced with graffiti reading, “Palestine calls. Jews are no longer tolerated in Norway.”

 

[Orangeslice13]

I’m of the mind that Hamas thought the US would step in and stop or greatly mitigate Israel’s response to 10/7

That’s possible. I’m basing my opinion on the maps that were found in a Hamas house dividing up Israel to the “new owners”