War in Ukraine



Curious why you post demonstrably false drivel. Are you a bot?

1. NATO is both an organization and a treaty. The North Atlantic Treaty (also known as the Washington Treaty) established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in 1949.

2. Since NATO is buying the arms, Europe's financial situation is moot.

3. The US is allowing its partners in NATO to transfer systems such as Patriot batteries to Ukraine, then backfilling orders to these countries.

4. And, no, Patriot systems have not failed in Ukraine... they just need more of them.
 
Curious why you post demonstrably false drivel. Are you a bot?

1. NATO is both an organization and a treaty. The North Atlantic Treaty (also known as the Washington Treaty) established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in 1949.

2. Since NATO is buying the arms, Europe's financial situation is moot.

3. The US is allowing its partners in NATO to transfer systems such as Patriot batteries to Ukraine, then backfilling orders to these countries.

4. And, no, Patriot systems have not failed in Ukraine... they just need more of them.
It was an opinion. I'll trust this guy over you.. show me some evidence to the contrary,,, as great as an expert you think you you are, how are you not Washington giving brilliant advice..
 
Do you really think our intelligence services and military are so incompetent that they don't know what happened to the pipeline?

No proof aliens didn't do it. 🤷‍♂️

As far as most of the information has been uncovered, the U.S. (and others) had actually been training the Ukrainians since 2014 to blow it up under Obama. Which is why Trump got his way as it pertains to the war with the UN security council - the rest of the members couldn't really disagree because he could disclose their involvement.

Just have Trump release all the information on this, they'll tell you he shouldn't - just like I said the U.S. should disclose their CIA assets. As far as the Russians they are and should be moving that they are in a sudo war with the U.S. for obvious reasons.

The U.S. blew it up.
 
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surprised it took this long honestly. war sucks and protesting Putin obviously isn't going to do anything.

and Zelensky been doing several things recently that were either straight up questionable/bad; or either didn't achieve the effect he was looking for and became PR issues.

dude just needs to hold an election.
 
Many of you really need to hold your peace for a little bit and come to grips with the fact that you and so many others have been conned. In your defense: US domestic propaganda for quite a while now has been Soviet level, if not worse.

1. The entire Trump "Russia Russia Russia" campaign was a lie. The smoking gun is out today: Obama conspired with Hillary and his national security cabinet members to launch what was in effect a coup against an elected American president in 2016. Hard evidence.

2. Not only that, there is also now hard evidence that Putin helped the Hillary Clinton campaign by deciding not to release information that Russia had about Hilliary's extremely serious health issues -- which would have blown up her campaign in the two weeks before the election (the time frame). Maybe you remember Hillary falling down and a racket of metal clanking and her being lifted into a vehicle during the campaign. That was just the tip of the iceberg.

But U.S. "Mockingbird" media is still at it. In response to the disclosures about Putin covering up Hilliary's health to help her win the election, CNN immediately brought on a "doctor" to paint a very dark and "scary" picture of Trump's health. Do you understand how it works yet? This kind of talk: "People who are 78 years old tend to..." That's NOT a medical evaluation. But, hey, reportedly she's not a practicing physician, either. 😂 She's a "Health Equity Director" (a DEI practitioner) who hasn't practiced medicine since her residency that completes med school. But wait there's more. This bright shining light of "the Science" is reportedly also an "apostle" of a church or cult whose leader tells the apostles that Trump is the "antichrist." Very Science-y.

3. The main play right now for propaganda media is to create distractions to keep American citizens from learning earth-shattering news. This makes Watergate look like a walk in the part, but Googley News doesn't count it among the headlines. I just checked.

When it is reported on, if it is, this is the way of propaganda. Either it will focus on an attack on the person who published the evidence (you hate her, this is about her (not the facts of the matter), so don't believe the facts. Or the headlines will make it about helping Trump. The ole "Republicans pounce"™ lede. These are standard ways of pushing the buttons they have planted and manipulating you to pay no attention.

It's going to be difficult for people. If they ever see the facts. It's emotionally very difficult for most people to admit they were wrong. Especially if they have been expounding on their views. Be brave and truthful and admit it. Stay calm and just sit with it for a while.
 
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surprised it took this long honestly. war sucks and protesting Putin obviously isn't going to do anything.

and Zelensky been doing several things recently that were either straight up questionable/bad; or either didn't achieve the effect he was looking for and became PR issues.

dude just needs to hold an election.
Z refuses to hold an election in what has long been one of the world's most corrupt regimes. Proof emerges that the U.S. government was running something like a color revolution at home in our own elections.

But we're all about "democracy."
 
Peace, brothers. Everything is going to be ok if people just allow themselves to grasp the facts, stay calm, and realize the truth about our propagandistic media and its ways. This is our country. It's not meant to be a shouting match. Teaching that behavior was part of the propaganda.
 
Z refuses to hold an election in what has long been one of the world's most corrupt regimes. Proof emerges that the U.S. government was running something like a color revolution at home in our own elections.

But we're all about "democracy."
Ukraine isn't close to Russia's level of corruption.

There is a reason Russia didn't week 1 table Ukraine, and its the absolutely rampant corruption. Stems from the greed/bribe system, as well as Putin's insistence on putting yes men in charge, who likely wouldn't be able to do the job even without the bribery. If Russia's military was anywhere close to what it should be on paper, this would have been the Vols playing UTC. close for maybe a quarter as the Mocs play their heart out to stand up against big brother, but with pretty inevitable rapid collapse.

Z just needs to do what Putin does. hold an election every other term with token political opponents he approves of, and just lock up the biggest competition...every. single. time. or just has them die/disappear in pretty blatant assassinations so that the rest of the competition learns to keep their mouth shut. just so Z can say he had an election.
 
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Good discussion about the war. I know Monty and bearded will poopoo as Russian propaganda. Im looking foward to the Wikipedia history of these Russian indoctrinated men
 
Gonna go out on a limb and say that Trump won't actually impose anything of consequence on Russia when that 50-day deadline comes.
Trump gave Iran a similar deadline. We will see if Russia calls Trump's bluff. It is time to get rough with Russia. There's been enough pussyfooting around by Trump. Putin started it, it's now time for Trump to finish it. This won't be a short term fix. Russia will have to be destroyed. It's the only way.
 
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Trump gave Iran a similar deadline. We will see if Russia calls Trump's bluff. It is time to get rough with Russia. There's been enough pussyfooting around by Trump. Putin started it, it's now time for Trump to finish it. This won't be a short term fix. Russia will have to be destroyed. It's the only way.

The world and mental illness has gotten so bad, I really don't know when people are being serious or not. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Trump gave Iran a similar deadline. We will see if Russia calls Trump's bluff. It is time to get rough with Russia. There's been enough pussyfooting around by Trump. Putin started it, it's now time for Trump to finish it. This won't be a short term fix. Russia will have to be destroyed. It's the only way.
Ukraine can win the war by itself… IF they’re given the right weapons and intelligence access.

But… cutting off Russia from a decent chunk of oil revenue would definitely help.
 

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