War in Ukraine

[BeardedVol]

If you don't think the U.S. was involved in the attacks on the Kerch Bridge or the terrorist attack destroying the gas pipeline, you are a waif in dirty underwear. We've been running the show, bruh. It's an American proxy war on a nuclear power.

Oh my, you sound like you've got evidence support ing your bold assertions; please do share.

 

[Orange.]

Oh my, you sound like you've got evidence support ing your bold assertions; please do share.

Remember when the known liars, criminals, and propagandists in the "leading" US media all tried to pass off the story that Russia blew up it's own nord stream. Good times.

"No one knows" is their fallback story. Let's say it this way. If U.S. intelligence and special ops really did not know anything about it and still don't know, is that malpractice?

 

[Orange.]

On the bright side for you, Beard, there's likely to be the biggest and most grift-y rebuilding project in the history world to come, whatever the outcome here.

 

[BeardedVol]

Remember when the known liars, criminals, and propagandists in the "leading" US media all tried to pass off the story that Russia blew up it's own nord stream. Good times.

"No one knows" is their fallback story. Let's say it this way. If U.S. intelligence and special ops really did not know anything about it and still don't know, is that malpractice?

Come on now don't be shy, share with the class.

Let's hear how the United States was involved in both the attack on the Kerch bridge, and the destruction of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

 

[Orange.]

Come on now don't be shy, share with the class.

Let's hear how the United States was involved in both the attack on the Kerch bridge, and the destruction of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

When I presented recently declassified documents about NATO expansion and the quiet change in the meaning of NATO from the 90s, you blew it off as "no one cares, anymore." By the time the present documents are declassified, you'll do the same thing.

What concerns the present is that you continually rely on news sources proven to be dishonest and propaganda outlets.

Also when I told you where you could find much of this information, you said you know what it says without reading it.

 

[Orange.]

You realize that use of U.S. signit and other tech operations have made possible Ukraine's and the other NATO countries' entire war effort. We've had boots on the ground for at least a decade. It's just that "boots" gets an intentionally deceptive definition that excludes the most important things. It's a U.S. proxy war.

 

[Orange.]

I'm reading a good book right now defending the other side of the NATO expansion argument from "Provoked," which everyone should read. This one is "Not Whether But When," written by an advocate of the expansion and who was directly involved. It's a good pairing. I like to read books in pairs like this.

 

[BeardedVol]

When I presented recently declassified documents about NATO expansion and the quiet change in the meaning of NATO from the 90s, you blew it off as "no one cares, anymore." By the time the present documents are declassified, you'll do the same thing.

What concerns the present is that you continually rely on news sources proven to be dishonest and propaganda outlets.

Also when I told you where you could find much of this information, you said you know what it says without reading it.

Lol, was that you that tried to ignore a video of Gorbachev staring flatly that there was no agreement by NATO to not allow new members, by posting the transcript where James Baker agreed not to move NATO infrastructure into East Germany?

What does that have to do with you stating that the Kerch bridge and Nord Stream 2 were both US operations?

Come on now, let's see the overwhelmingly evidence that has convinced you of such.

 

[Orange.]

Lol, was that you that tried to ignore a video of Gorbachev staring flatly that there was no agreement by NATO to not allow new members, by posting the transcript where James Baker agreed not to move NATO infrastructure into East Germany?

What does that have to do with you stating that the Kerch bridge and Nord Stream 2 were both US operations?

Come on now, let's see the overwhelmingly evidence that has convinced you of such.

iirc in that video Gorbachev was speaking to a domestic audience and trying vainly to defend himself from charges that he had let the West play him.

As for Nord Stream 2,

 

[BeardedVol]

iirc in that video Gorbachev was speaking to a domestic audience and trying vainly to defend himself from charges that he had let the West play him.

As for Nord Stream 2,

Lol, the hubris required to say that the man whom Baker was speaking to, didn't actually hear what he said he heard, is quite literally amazing to behold.

How exactly is his proof that the United States carried out the operation to blow up Nord Stream 2?

Nord Stream: German arrest warrant for sabotage blast suspect

The suspect, a Ukrainian diving instructor, had gone when Polish police tried to arrest him in July.

www.bbc.com

Is there also a video of Biden saying that he'll end the Kerch Bridge if Russia invades Ukraine?

 

[Orange.]

Lol, the hubris required to say that the man whom Baker was speaking to, didn't actually hear what he said he heard, is quite literally amazing to behold.

How exactly is his proof that the United States carried out the operation to blow up Nord Stream 2?
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Nord Stream: German arrest warrant for sabotage blast suspect

The suspect, a Ukrainian diving instructor, had gone when Polish police tried to arrest him in July.

www.bbc.com

Is there also a video of Biden saying that he'll end the Kerch Bridge if Russia invades Ukraine?

"no public evidence"

That's when U.S. propaganda media was trying to convince Americans that Russia blew up its own pipeline! Thanks for the post.

 

[BeardedVol]

"no public evidence"

That's when U.S. propaganda media was trying to convince Americans that Russia blew up its own pipeline! Thanks for the post.

Ah so your opinion has obviously been informed by 'non-public evidence'?

Again, please do share.

 

[Orange.]

Ah so your opinion has obviously been informed by 'non-public evidence'?

Again, please do share.

It says "no public evidence" that Russia blew up its own pipeline. That was too dumb to believe already.

 

[Orange.]

Do you really think our intelligence services and military are so incompetent that they don't know what happened to the pipeline?

 

[Orange.]

I am just sorry that we missed the chance to bring Russia into the Western fold when we had the chance. That would have made such a positive difference these past 25 years. That's not the same thing as being "pro-Russian." It's pro-American.

 

[BeardedVol]

"no public evidence"

That's when U.S. propaganda media was trying to convince Americans that Russia blew up its own pipeline! Thanks for the post.

So this was just bs?

 

[BeardedVol]

I am just sorry that we missed the chance to bring Russia into the Western fold when we had the chance. That would have made such a positive difference these past 25 years. That's not the same thing as being "pro-Russian." It's pro-American.

LOL, we kept Russia from breaking up in the 90s, even when they took IMF funds, rearmed, and attacked Chechnya for a second time.

U.S. Assistance to the Former Soviet Union 1991-2001: A History of Administration and Congressional Action

The future of the 12 successor states of the former Soviet Union is a major concern of U.S. foreign policy and congressional attention,...

www.everycrsreport.com

Russia literally only still exists because of the United States.

Probably one of the worst mistake the US has ever made actually.

Which is why the "NATO expansion" is a threat to Russia is such nonsense, as the US and the rest of NATO could have just let Russia disintegrate.

 

[dalton_vol]

 

[dalton_vol]

When I presented recently declassified documents about NATO expansion and the quiet change in the meaning of NATO from the 90s, you blew it off as "no one cares, anymore." By the time the present documents are declassified, you'll do the same thing.

What concerns the present is that you continually rely on news sources proven to be dishonest and propaganda outlets.

Also when I told you where you could find much of this information, you said you know what it says without reading it.

Beard is never going to believe anything remotely anti-ukraine.

 

[LouderVol]

Do you really think our intelligence services and military are so incompetent that they don't know what happened to the pipeline?

depends on what you actually think of our military and intelligence services.

This is the same intelligence services that lied about the reports on Trump. missed 9/11. had CIA agents tweet out their locations.

its the same military that has ships running into each, one aircraft carrier lose two multi million dollar jets in a few months, who until recently was more worried about misgendering their troops than making sure they were actually combat effective.

also depends a good bit on what you think happens to all that money they can never account for.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Sen. Lindsey Graham Warns Putin: Trump ‘about to put a whoopin’ on your ass’​

Russian strongman Vladimir Putin is in line for a “whoopin'” from President Trump if Moscow doesn’t come to the negotiating table to end its war on Ukraine, Sen. Lindsey Graham predicted Sunday.

“Trump has been tough on Iran, who is incredibly dangerous, but they’re in a weakened state, and Putin, your turn is coming,” Graham (R-SC) told Fox News Channel’s “Sunday Night In America With Trey Gowdy.”

“Donald Trump is the Scottie Scheffler of American politics and foreign diplomacy, and he’s about to put a whoopin’ on your ass,” added Graham, referring to the four-time major champion who added the Open’s Claret Jug to his trophy case hours earlier.

On July 14, Trump gave Russia 50 days to negotiate a peace deal or face 100% secondary tariffs that would target countries importing goods such as oil and uranium, a dramatic shift in his stance toward Europe’s largest conflict since World War II.

Sen. Lindsey Graham warns Putin: Trump ‘about to put a whoopin’ on your ass’

“Donald Trump is the Scottie Scheffler of American politics and foreign diplomacy,” said Graham, referring to the champion golfer of the year.

nypost.com

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[BeardedVol]

 

[MontyPython]

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Gonna go out on a limb and say that Trump won't actually impose anything of consequence on Russia when that 50-day deadline comes.

 

[MontyPython]

Sen. Lindsey Graham Warns Putin: Trump ‘about to put a whoopin’ on your ass’​

Russian strongman Vladimir Putin is in line for a “whoopin'” from President Trump if Moscow doesn’t come to the negotiating table to end its war on Ukraine, Sen. Lindsey Graham predicted Sunday.

“Trump has been tough on Iran, who is incredibly dangerous, but they’re in a weakened state, and Putin, your turn is coming,” Graham (R-SC) told Fox News Channel’s “Sunday Night In America With Trey Gowdy.”

“Donald Trump is the Scottie Scheffler of American politics and foreign diplomacy, and he’s about to put a whoopin’ on your ass,” added Graham, referring to the four-time major champion who added the Open’s Claret Jug to his trophy case hours earlier.

On July 14, Trump gave Russia 50 days to negotiate a peace deal or face 100% secondary tariffs that would target countries importing goods such as oil and uranium, a dramatic shift in his stance toward Europe’s largest conflict since World War II.

Sen. Lindsey Graham warns Putin: Trump ‘about to put a whoopin’ on your ass’

“Donald Trump is the Scottie Scheffler of American politics and foreign diplomacy,” said Graham, referring to the champion golfer of the year.

nypost.com

Let's settle this like men...

Cage match: Graham v. Medvedev. Winner decides Ukraine's fate.