Israel vs Palestinians

[Vol8188]

Yea which is why it’s hilarious people act like a military that can do that can only defeat Hamas by destroying every building in Gaza

I didn’t know 6 surrounding countries offered to help the transition in afghan and Iraq

I asked you specifics on the proposals involving these 6 countries that you considered reasonable. You’ve provided no such information. But yes, countries throughout the Middle East did aid the US to carious levels.

If Hamas wasn’t openly supported by most of Gaza, I imagine a lot less infrastructure would be used for military purposes and wouldn’t require destruction.

 

[EasternVol]

Denial isn’t a river in Egypt.
It also doesn’t change facts

That's the thing, it's very doubtful that it's a fact.

 

[MAD]

I asked you specifics on the proposals involving these 6 countries that you considered reasonable. You’ve provided no such information. But yes, countries throughout the Middle East did aid the US to carious levels.

If Hamas wasn’t openly supported by most of Gaza, I imagine a lot less infrastructure would be used for military purposes and wouldn’t require destruction.

 

[Smokey123]

The 100k number are on 45 day temporary visas. It seems really disingenuous to proclaim they’ve accepted 100k. Most of those are temporary for medical purposes.

In reality they’ve accepted 0.

Gazans have to go somewhere. They’ve shown an obvious inability to coexist with Israelis, so I’m not sure why anyone would recommend they go there. Places like Jordan should be their best cultural fits. Deals could be made.

They haven’t been kicking them out. They cross the border then Egypt grants them temporary visas and they’ve over stayed and still there.

It’s almost as if they should stay in the place they’re in. What purpose does ethnic cleansing them do?

 

[Smokey123]

Didn’t France already offer to take them? Not sure Israel letting the people that want “from the river to the sea to be Arab” is a good idea.

I didn’t know France said they’d take them all

It’s almost as if they should stay where they are unless they choose to leave themselves

 

[Smokey123]

I asked you specifics on the proposals involving these 6 countries that you considered reasonable. You’ve provided no such information. But yes, countries throughout the Middle East did aid the US to carious levels.

If Hamas wasn’t openly supported by most of Gaza, I imagine a lot less infrastructure would be used for military purposes and wouldn’t require destruction.

I already stated it multiple times.
What countries helped govern until a new permanent government came in?

 

[OrangeTsar]

A lot of the tunnels likely connect. They have access to the ones in Gaza city

Yes, Hamas isn’t the nazi’s the comparison was dumb. The highest number of afghan civilians killed in a year were 3800

Now compare the population density of Afghanistan with Gaza. Yea, more civilians would die in an attack on Boston vs North Dakota

 

[OrangeTsar]

I didn’t know France said they’d take them all

It’s almost as if they should stay where they are unless they choose to leave themselves

The West spent almost 10 centuries defending against Muslim Invasions.
Now they are inviting them in.


Battle of Vienna 1683

 

[Smokey123]

Now compare the population density of Afghanistan with Gaza. Yea, more civilians would die in an attack on Boston vs North Dakota

Which is exactly why you can’t just bomb the **** out of them. Thanks for agreeing. Unless you don’t care about civilian lives and then at that point you’re no better than Hamas

 

[MAD]

I didn’t know France said they’d take them all

It’s almost as if they should stay where they are unless they choose to leave themselves

I agree as long as they can live in peace. What assurance does Israel have that the rockets that have been fired at Israel since 2001 will stop?

 

[Vol8188]

They haven’t been kicking them out. They cross the border then Egypt grants them temporary visas and they’ve over stayed and still there.

It’s almost as if they should stay in the place they’re in. What purpose does ethnic cleansing them do?

Prevents another October 7th, that’s the obvious purpose.

Weird too that the same people who call Israelis colonizers will proclaim it’s ethnic cleansing to remove Palestinians from a place they moved to in the late 1940s.

 

[Smokey123]

I agree as long as they can live in peace. What assurance does Israel have that the rockets that have been fired at Israel since 2001 will stop?

The countries I’ve mentioned have said they would help stabilizing Gaza without Hamas and until the PA can govern. The PA while not perfect would be 100x better than Hamas or other militias that want to destroy Israel. The PA has worked towards peace

 

[OrangeTsar]

Which is exactly why you can’t just bomb the **** out of them. Thanks for agreeing. Unless you don’t care about civilian lives and then at that point you’re no better than Hamas

We bombed the **** out of Berlin, Dresden, Hamburg, Leipzig, Munich, and Tokyo. And i won’t even bring up Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
It’s called War. You either fight it like your life depends on it (it does) or you play around with one hand tied behind your back and it stretches on forever like Vietnam.
Hamas doesn’t get to kick the hornets nest and then complain when they get stung.

 

[EasternVol]

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I wonder what set Huckabee off? He's been an obedient sheep for years and now he acts like he might be able to think for himself.

 

[Smokey123]

Prevents another October 7th, that’s the obvious purpose.

Weird too that the same people who call Israelis colonizers will proclaim it’s ethnic cleansing to remove Palestinians from a place they moved to in the late 1940s.

Ahh yes. Remove people from Gaza and there will never be another terrorist attack. That’s logical

Yea ethnic cleansing is fine as long they haven’t lived there 100 years. Thats sounds morally right

 

[OrangeTsar]

The countries I’ve mentioned have said they would help stabilizing Gaza without Hamas and until the PA can govern. The PA while not perfect would be 100x better than Hamas or other militias that want to destroy Israel. The PA has worked towards peace

And none of that can happen until Hamas is destroyed. Maybe the countries promising to stabilize Gaza might want to consider helping to eliminate Hamas first.

 

[MAD]

The countries I’ve mentioned have said they would help stabilizing Gaza without Hamas and until the PA can govern. The PA while not perfect would be 100x better than Hamas or other militias that want to destroy Israel. The PA has worked towards peace

I agree, so how do you get rid of Hamas that is holding hostages and has buried themselves behind the people that they govern?

 

[Smokey123]

I wonder what set Huckabee off? He's been an obedient sheep for years and now he acts like he might be able to think for himself.

He just visited the west bank town that got attacked

 

[OrangeTsar]

Because they want a 2 state solution and support humanitarian and diplomatic efforts. Not an ethnic cleansing that they’d have to pay for lol

Well maybe tell the Palestinians that; because they no longer (and never have) supported a 2 state solution. Arafat was presented one on a silver platter and turned it down.
Palestinians want a single state solution. And guess what single state they want? (Hint; it will not tolerate Jews)

 

[Smokey123]

We bombed the **** out of Berlin, Dresden, Hamburg, Leipzig, Munich, and Tokyo. And i won’t even bring up Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
It’s called War. You either fight it like your life depends on it (it does) or you play around with one hand tied behind your back and it stretches on forever like Vietnam.
Hamas doesn’t get to kick the hornets nest and then complain when they get stung.

And millions of innocent lives were lost. Killing innocent civilians because someone else killed innocent civilians sounds really morally responsible

 

[Vol8188]

Ahh yes. Remove people from Gaza and there will never be another terrorist attack. That’s logical

Yea ethnic cleansing is fine as long they haven’t lived there 100 years. Thats sounds morally right

Sure, terrorism will exist. But to that level? No.

I actually agree with you on the second part. But the people who cry most about ethnic cleansing typically wouldn’t have any concerns if it were Israelis being removed.

So is it a good thing if you have to remove people from their homes? Of course not. But war doesn’t always have good answers.

 

[Smokey123]

Well maybe tell the Palestinians that; because they no longer (and never have) supported a 2 state solution. Arafat was presented one on a silver platter and turned it down.
Palestinians want a single state solution. And guess what single state they want? (Hint; it will not tolerate Jews)

You think Bibi wants a 2 state solution? Do you know why Hamas got the power they got?

 

[Vol8188]

And millions of innocent lives were lost. Killing innocent civilians because someone else killed innocent civilians sounds really morally responsible

Sometimes the best moral outcome can still be a bad outcome. It would be nice if 0 innocent people could die in wars. But we live in reality

 

[Smokey123]

I agree, so how do you get rid of Hamas that is holding hostages and has buried themselves behind the people that they govern?

Hamas can’t be fully destroyed if the people doing the destroying want them to exist

 

[n_huffhines]

I wonder what set Huckabee off? He's been an obedient sheep for years and now he acts like he might be able to think for himself.

Seems like the answer is their treatment of Christians.