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DinkinFlicka said:
All I'm getting is that there are no "Jew messages" allowed here.

Keep that in mind, Slice.
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Not form the guy who posts information from the white nationalist
Edit: notice the you and I differ on a lot of things but I have never had a real reason to call you out for hypocrisy or dishonesty….wonder why that is?
 
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Byron York
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On the sourcing of the Wall Street Journal article about the 2003 Jeffrey Epstein birthday letter said to be from Donald Trump: It is frustratingly -- and intentionally -- vague.

The article says Ghislaine Maxwell "collected" letters from Trump and others for Epstein's 50th birthday 22 years ago, attributing that to "documents reviewed by the Wall Street Journal."

On the most basic questions about the letter -- Did the Journal reporters see it? If they did, did they see the original? A photo or copy? -- the article says the "letter bearing Trump's name" was "reviewed by the Journal." It then describes what "appears to be" a hand drawing of a naked woman and a signature ("a squiggly 'Donald' below her waist, mimicking pubic hair"). Saying that the Journal "reviewed" the letter seems to clearly indicate that the reporters saw it. If they didn't, what they wrote would be misleading.

On the obvious question of why the Journal did not include an image of the letter in its story -- the article simply does not address it. The piece would have been infinitely stronger if it included the letter. But it doesn't.

In perhaps the most important attribution in the story, the authors says that "pages" from a leather-bound album "are among the documents examined by Justice Department officials who investigated Epstein and Maxwell years ago." It attributes that to "people who have reviewed the pages." That could go back many years to both Democratic and Republican administrations. Are the DOJ officials current or former or both? The article doesn't say, but including the phrase "years ago" and adding that the album was "assembled before Epstein was first arrested in 2006," suggests the answer is former officials.

The article also adds that it is "unclear" whether "any of the pages are part of the Trump administration's recent review." In another place, it says that "Justice Department officials didn't respond to requests for comment or address questions about whether the Trump page and other pages of the birthday album were part of the agency's recent documents review." It also notes that the FBI "refused to comment." That suggests, but does not definitively say, that the information in the article came from people who are not currently in the Trump Justice Department.

The article says that the album had "poems, photos and greetings from businesspeople, academics, Epstein's former girlfriends and childhood pals," attributing that to "the documents reviewed by the Journal and people familiar with them."

Finally, it says that "it isn't clear how the letter with Trump's signature was prepared," which seems to be a pretty big gap in the story.

The rest of the article is filler.

It's always risky to try to pinpoint the sources of an article that is both as controversial and as imprecisely sourced as this one. Information can bounce around several places before it ends up in the newspaper. But the Journal would certainly be doing the political world a favor by showing the world the letter and saying more about how this story came to be.

One last thing -- and this is critical. Amid all this attention to minutiae, it's important to recognize that the letter, even if absolutely genuine, doesn't add anything to our understanding of Trump's contacts with Epstein before those contacts ended 21 years ago, in 2004. There has been no evidence introduced to suggest that Trump was implicated in any of Epstein's wrongdoing. On Thursday, the Washington Post's factchecker, Glenn Kessler, updated his reporting on all the known contacts between Epstein and Trump and wrote, "No credible allegation has emerged to connect Trump to any of Epstein's crimes. If the full [Epstein] file is ever released, we are confident that no connection would be found." That's important to remember amid the media-driven excitement about the 2003 letter.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Oh, I agree. But Hell will Freeze over first before we ever see any town square tarring & feathering of the "Anointed One" Barack Obama & his "cough cough" squeaky clean crew..
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I know many here will not agree or believe this but Trump is a good guy. YOu can see it how he deals with families who have lost loved ones and how he deals with his family/friends. He may allow public humiliation (through the public trial) be enough and then pull back on any direct action on Obama. On the others, I think, if proven guilty, he will allow the courts to determine their fate.
 
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Buddy’s Bandit said:
I know many here will not agree or believe this but Trump is a good guy. YOu can see it how he deals with families who have lost loved ones and how he deals with his family/friends. He may allow public humiliation (through the public trial) be enough and then pull back on any direct action on Obama. On the others, I think, if proven guilty, he will allow the courts to determine their fate.
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We'll all be dead & gone before (if ever) we see trials takes place for any of them.
 
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Here are the Epstein Files. I am trying to keep this information alive. Please feel free to share.

Many may not realize this, but this story starts in 2006. Alex Acosta filed a non-prosecution agreement in 2007 on Epstein’s behalf. He was Trump's labor secretary during his first term and also a former federal judge.

Justice Dept.: 'Poor judgment' used in Epstein plea deal

https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80

Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “

Here is the story.

The Flight Logs https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...in_flight_logs_released_in_USA_v._Maxwell.pdf (Trump is listed on pages 18, 24, 27, 37, and 45)

The trial https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (953 pages of the unsealed court documents) This document establishes a pattern in which Mar-a-lago is used aa a recruiting for sex trafficking victims. Alternate link. https://uploads.guim.co.uk/2024/01/04/Final_Epstein_documents.pdf

—————————other Epstein Information

https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump raping a 13 yr old together.

Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katies testimony on youtube:

For health reasons I may not be able to answer questions for many more posts. I have posted answers to the most commonly asked questions in the answer section of
 
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The Complete Trump-Epstein Timeline And Other Collected Information​

Part 1: The 15-Year Friendship (1987-2002)​

1987: Trump and Epstein first meet. Became "nightlife musketeers" with Tom Barrack (Mercury News)

1992: NBC footage captures them partying at Mar-a-Lago with 28 cheerleaders. Trump whispers in Epstein's ear, points at women saying "She's hot"

1993-1997: Flight logs show Trump flew on Epstein's plane at least 7 times, including with Tiffany and Marla Maples

2002: Trump's infamous quote to New York Magazine (Washington Post):

"I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."
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Part 2: The Falling Out (2004-2008)​

2004: Trump outbids Epstein for Palm Beach mansion. Two weeks later, police get first tip about Epstein (Washington Post)

Key fact: 16-year-old Virginia Giuffre was recruited at Mar-a-Lago while working as spa attendant. Her father was maintenance manager at Trump's club.

Part 3: Trump Administration Conflicts of Interest (2017-2021)​

2017: Trump appoints Alexander Acosta as Labor Secretary - the same prosecutor (while serving under then Florida AG Pam Bondi) who gave Epstein the sweetheart 2008 plea deal (CNBC)

2019: William Barr becomes AG despite massive conflicts:

•Barr's father hired Epstein to teach at elite school despite zero credentials

•Barr worked at Kirkland & Ellis, the firm that represented Epstein

The Recusal Flip-Flop:

•July 8: Barr recuses himself

•July 9: Reverses recusal after "consulting ethics officials"

Part 4: Epstein's Death & Trump's Hypocrisy (August 10, 2019)​

6:30 AM: Epstein found dead in Trump's DOJ custody That evening: Trump promotes Clinton conspiracy theories

Official tweet timestamps from American Presidency Project:

•22:01:25: Retweets about Clinton's flights

•22:01:56: Just 31 seconds later, retweets:

"Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH? Yeah right! #JefferyEpstein had information on Bill Clinton"

The conspiracy retweet got 70,642 retweets - massive amplification.

The Hypocrisy: While blaming Clinton, Trump ignored his own:

•15-year friendship with Epstein

•7 documented flights on Epstein's plane

•⁠14 phone numbers in Epstein's book

•The 2002 "younger women" quote

Part 5: The 2025 Cover-up​

June 2024: Trump tells Fox News he'd declassify Epstein files, but Fox edited out his backtrack: "I guess I would... you don't want to affect people's lives if it's phony stuff in there"

February 2025: AG Pam Bondi claims Epstein "client list" is "sitting on my desk"

July 7, 2025: DOJ releases memo declaring:

•Epstein died by suicide (case closed) •No "client list" exists •No further prosecutions

July 8, 2025: When asked about Epstein, Trump snaps: "Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years... This creep"

The Evolution of Trump's Denials:​

•2002: "Terrific guy... likes beautiful women... on the younger side"

•2019: "I was not a fan... haven't spoken in 15 years"

•2025: "This creep... waste of time to discuss"

The MAGA Rebellion​

Trump's own supporters are furious about the cover-up. Alex Jones, Laura Loomer, and Tucker Carlson are turning on the administration for burying the case.

Trump calls own supporters stupid for believing in “Epstein Hoax”
 
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VOLLeeann said:
Here are the Epstein Files. I am trying to keep this information alive. Please feel free to share.

Many may not realize this, but this story starts in 2006. Alex Acosta filed a non-prosecution agreement in 2007 on Epstein’s behalf. He was Trump's labor secretary during his first term and also a former federal judge.

Justice Dept.: 'Poor judgment' used in Epstein plea deal

https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80

Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “

Here is the story.

The Flight Logs https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...in_flight_logs_released_in_USA_v._Maxwell.pdf (Trump is listed on pages 18, 24, 27, 37, and 45)

The trial https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (953 pages of the unsealed court documents) This document establishes a pattern in which Mar-a-lago is used aa a recruiting for sex trafficking victims. Alternate link. https://uploads.guim.co.uk/2024/01/04/Final_Epstein_documents.pdf

—————————other Epstein Information

https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump raping a 13 yr old together.

Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katies testimony on youtube:

For health reasons I may not be able to answer questions for many more posts. I have posted answers to the most commonly asked questions in the answer section of
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Have you found anything on Clinton, Gates, or the other hundreds/thousands of people that knew Epstein?
 
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Buddy’s Bandit said:
I know many here will not agree or believe this but Trump is a good guy. YOu can see it how he deals with families who have lost loved ones and how he deals with his family/friends. He may allow public humiliation (through the public trial) be enough and then pull back on any direct action on Obama. On the others, I think, if proven guilty, he will allow the courts to determine their fate.
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Trump is a good guy? 😂

A comment more oblivious to reality, has never been posted to this forum.

Donald Trump is a uniquely despicable human being. Donald Trump is an egomaniac, who is petty and vindictive. Donald Trump routinely resorts to insults, childish name-calling and personal attacks against people who have only been professionally critical of him.

Donald Trump is self-centered, immoral, unethical, sexist, racist, supremely bigoted, pathologically dishonest, self-enriching and corrupt. Donald Trump is also misogynistic, immature, unsophisticated, ignorant, simple-minded, rude, crass, inarticulate, unread, coarse, vulgar, crude, disgusting, insensitive, arrogant, conceited, vain, boastful, disingenuous, manipulative, juvenile, obnoxious and indecent. His behavior never rises above the lowest common denominators of a group of male chauvinist pigs. Every indication we have ever been given, is that Donald Trump only cares about Donald Trump. He has no capacity for empathy, because he is so desperately consumed with feeling sorry for himself. Trump is the perennial victim. In his mind, someone has always done him wrong. He is perpetually hypocritical and completely void of self-awareness.

There might be a worse person in American public life than Donald Trump today, but I have no idea who it could possibly be. He represents all of the worst personality and character traits associated with a narcissistic, selfish, egocentric and dishonest person.

You really would have to be delusional to consider Donald Trump to be a good person. This irrational line of thinking can only be explained by political tribalism and the Cult of Personality phenomenon.
 
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