'26 MS WR Tristen Keys (Tennessee commit)

[JacketVol]

The problem is the Art Briles/Josh Heupel system has never produced a receiver that was consistently productive in the NFL. Gabe Davis at UCF and Terrance Williams from Baylor are the only relative outliers. All of those Baylor and Missouri WRs did nothing in the NFL despite good production in college, and no kid in high school is sitting at home saying to themselves “I want to be the next Gabe Davis”

Way to sell the program Moran

 

[Skooter]

I mean Jalin Hyatt himself said we ran only 11 plays, there’s a reason that our offense is only great when we run tempo. As for Hyatt, there’s a reason why his college success hasn’t translated, because all he has is his speed. Tillman so far, and will continue to be, the better nfl wr because he is a better route runner, catcher, size, etc

The system, Heup, Hooker and Hyatt got him drafted and the Biltenikoff. They used his skillset, which is straight speed. He is not shifty for his weight and frame and is not strong, which is why he’s struggled. Has nothing to do with the system holding him back. The system made Hiatt.

 

[VolGee4]

Tillman did nothing but make plays anytime he got on the field under Pruitt. The problem is he was behind 3 other NFL receivers plus Brandon Johnson. As far as Jalin Hyatt goes our fanbase has a lot of revisionist history rhetoric when it comes to the history of Jalin Hyatt’s career here. He was a 4 star recruit that flashed a TON of potential as a true freshman. He just needed to get bigger and had an issue with drops. They didn’t develop him into anything he wasn’t already. He did that all on his own when he spent the entire 2022 preseason on the jugs machine. It wasn’t like he came in as a nobody and just burst onto the scene in 2022. It was obvious he had something and just needed to work on is body and drops, but don’t act like he was just some nobody they turned into a stud. Even then though he’s struggled significantly in the NFL and will more than likely be out of the league by the time his rookie contract is over…just like most veer and shoot receivers end up

Cedric Tillman had 8 total catches in 3 years under Pruitt.

Jaylin Hyatt may have been a 4 star, but Heupel’s system was fantastic for him because it put him in space. He even got matched with safeties.

To even suggest that Heupel didn’t do anything to develop both is ridiculous.

 

[VolGee4]

I mean Jalin Hyatt himself said we ran only 11 plays, there’s a reason that our offense is only great when we run tempo. As for Hyatt, there’s a reason why his college success hasn’t translated, because all he has is his speed. Tillman so far, and will continue to be, the better nfl wr because he is a better route runner, catcher, size, etc

Our offense had guys running open last year without tempo. Need a more consistent QB.

 

[DaddyChad]

Lets hope Matthews is the fist, and Keys is the second.

Yes let Matthews fist them teams out before keys gets a hold of them.

 

[DaddyChad]

Way to sell the program Moran

He’z jEsT keEPin It ReaL!!!

 

[LittleVol]

I’m not saying we should be competing for national championships this season, but we should be moving in that direction when you look at our roster construction and even when we were bad for the last 15 years we still produced better receivers than we do now. At some point coaching changes are going to have to be made if on field changes don’t happen. I’m thankful for what Heupel has done. Especially considering no one wanted this job, but if the goal of this program is to just not suck and win 8-10 games a year then get absolutely drilled by legitimate title contenders like Georgia and Ohio State then by all means continue to just glaze everything this staff does and leave constructive criticism at the door

“Sports talk with J” made a comment today on some sports show. He was the guest so it wasn’t his show.

But he said something to the effect of “Georgia just out talents Tennessee every year “

That’s false. Tennessee had the more veteran online and dline last season. SEC leading rusher. DT QB. UGA was playing the walk-on RB and their WRs hadn’t shined all season.
And then our top 5 defense gave up how many rushing yards to Carson Beck lol? That opened up the flood gates.

It’s started with UGA defense stifling our offense. 4 years straight they have done this. And then UGA made offensive adjustments. However our fans just simply say “well Georgia had more talent “ and then leave it at that.
The UNCOMFORTABLE fact is that Kirby continues to out coach our coaching staff.
In our defense he does that to almost every other coach too.

He’s Georgias version of Heupel. He was Nick Saban best DC for 8 solid years.
Heupel simply needs to hand over his baby to a coach with real OC experience and their own brand of offense to merge with Huepels offense .

Heupel offense isn’t the same as it was in 2021. We run a lot of 12 personnel 2 TEs offense and not spread all the way to sideline. And there’s times where there’s variety, but then we always go back to the base offense and trying to run at a defense with our wide splits and any average SEC dline will find success too often.

Heupel needs new blood to get his going in that offensive staff room.

 

[deatojl]

I think you are missing the point

No, I got the point. He stated this staff has yet to recruit a HS WR and develop them into even an average SEC WR. This staff recruited Squirrel White and I would argue that he was at least an average or better SEC WR. My point regarding Tillman and Hyatt are on the development side. Neither one of them did anything notable whatsoever under Pruitt’s staff whereas Huepel’s staff developed them into star SEC wideouts. I’m not insinuating that the overall WR development/production has been great but to pretend they have done nothing in that regard is simply untrue.

 

[jasonvol18]

Lets hope Matthews is the fist, and Keys is the second.

I think Smith may end up being one of the better ones Heupel as half. Jackson too.

 

[B81]

Yes let Matthews fist them teams out before keys gets a hold of them.

Spelling is impotent! Haha

 

[swchandler1988]

“Sports talk with J” made a comment today on some sports show. He was the guest so it wasn’t his show.

But he said something to the effect of “Georgia just out talents Tennessee every year “

That’s false. Tennessee had the more veteran online and dline last season. SEC leading rusher. DT QB. UGA was playing the walk-on RB and their WRs hadn’t shined all season.
And then our top 5 defense gave up how many rushing yards to Carson Beck lol? That opened up the flood gates.

It’s started with UGA defense stifling our offense. 4 years straight they have done this. And then UGA made offensive adjustments. However our fans just simply say “well Georgia had more talent “ and then leave it at that.
The UNCOMFORTABLE fact is that Kirby continues to out coach our coaching staff.
In our defense he does that to almost every other coach too.

He’s Georgias version of Heupel. He was Nick Saban best DC for 8 solid years.
Heupel simply needs to hand over his baby to a coach with real OC experience and their own brand of offense to merge with Huepels offense .

Heupel offense isn’t the same as it was in 2021. We run a lot of 12 personnel 2 TEs offense and not spread all the way to sideline. And there’s times where there’s variety, but then we always go back to the base offense and trying to run at a defense with our wide splits and any average SEC dline will find success too often.

Heupel needs new blood to get his going in that offensive staff room.

UGA has been in the top 3 of every recruiting class (4th in ‘21 by a hair) since 2017. They absolutely have out talented us, since 2017 season. You said we had a more veteran o line and d line, yet UGA still beat us.

That kinda is proving the opposite argument from what you’re stating since their freshman and sophomores beat our upperclassmen. Helps that Kirby is a damn good coach (yuck). Also which is why it’s so important to get our classes closer to the top. Gotta have the Jimmy and Joes

 

[Heupel's Offseason Beard]

I’m not saying we should be competing for national championships this season, but we should be moving in that direction when you look at our roster construction and even when we were bad for the last 15 years we still produced better receivers than we do now. At some point coaching changes are going to have to be made if on field changes don’t happen. I’m thankful for what Heupel has done. Especially considering no one wanted this job, but if the goal of this program is to just not suck and win 8-10 games a year then get absolutely drilled by legitimate title contenders like Georgia and Ohio State then by all means continue to just glaze everything this staff does and leave constructive criticism at the door

I mean, we haven't won less than 9 games in 3 seasons so I don't know why people keep saying that the expectation is 8 wins. No one is okay with that.

 

[VawlIn]

Lets hope Matthews is the fist, and Keys is the second.

Jackson has the potential too

 

[RockyTopTexas]

I saw his post saying how much he loved it here. What are the actual chances we can snag him from LSU? I've had some beers lets talk ball

 

[VawlIn]

I mean Jalin Hyatt himself said we ran only 11 plays, there’s a reason that our offense is only great when we run tempo. As for Hyatt, there’s a reason why his college success hasn’t translated, because all he has is his speed. Tillman so far, and will continue to be, the better nfl wr because he is a better route runner, catcher, size, etc

And even Tillman will be a Terrance Williams or Gabe Davis type, and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. He’ll carve out a nice career. At some point we need to start putting out some all pro/pro bowl receivers. Defense wins championships, but an offense with first and second round NFL talent is what gets you to that point to where your defense can win you one

 

[VawlIn]

Never is a strong word. 12-13 years ago Josh Gordon was unguardable.

Yeah, I forgot about him. The point is still relatively the case though with the veer and shoot. Hopefully with Seth and Landry Jones coming in some tweaks will be made to it. There was some talk about it during the spring and we did line up in some different formations than we typically do in the spring game. I know their offense struggled last year, but I liked a lot of what Oklahoma did last year as far as the balance in the running game and the more traditional splits and motions with receivers. They did a lot of stuff that we’ve missed since Golesh left

 

[Adam Sandler]

I saw his post saying how much he loved it here. What are the actual chances we can snag him from LSU? I've had some beers lets talk ball

VOLS by a thousand

 

[NighthawkVol]

Can we move these posts to another thread so we can get the Tristan Keys thread back?

@Freak

 

[SergeantVol]

Can we move these posts to another thread so we can get the Tristan Keys thread back?

@Freak

*Tristen

 

[Volfan_1999]

I saw his post saying how much he loved it here. What are the actual chances we can snag him from LSU? I've had some beers lets talk ball

if history repeats itself, then none

 

[bpalmer28]

Tillman did nothing but make plays anytime he got on the field under Pruitt. The problem is he was behind 3 other NFL receivers plus Brandon Johnson. As far as Jalin Hyatt goes our fanbase has a lot of revisionist history rhetoric when it comes to the history of Jalin Hyatt’s career here. He was a 4 star recruit that flashed a TON of potential as a true freshman. He just needed to get bigger and had an issue with drops. They didn’t develop him into anything he wasn’t already. He did that all on his own when he spent the entire 2022 preseason on the jugs machine. It wasn’t like he came in as a nobody and just burst onto the scene in 2022. It was obvious he had something and just needed to work on is body and drops, but don’t act like he was just some nobody they turned into a stud. Even then though he’s struggled significantly in the NFL and will more than likely be out of the league by the time his rookie contract is over…just like most veer and shoot receivers end up

So what you're saying is that Hyatt had raw ability, used it to become the best WR in college football, and the coaches didn't develop him? All those plays in 2022 where he was wide open was ALLLLLL Hyatt. This level of trolling is a good way to get placed on ignore. WELCOME TO THE LIST!

 

[Weezer]

“Sports talk with J” made a comment today on some sports show. He was the guest so it wasn’t his show.

But he said something to the effect of “Georgia just out talents Tennessee every year “

That’s false. Tennessee had the more veteran online and dline last season. SEC leading rusher. DT QB. UGA was playing the walk-on RB and their WRs hadn’t shined all season.
And then our top 5 defense gave up how many rushing yards to Carson Beck lol? That opened up the flood gates.

It’s started with UGA defense stifling our offense. 4 years straight they have done this. And then UGA made offensive adjustments. However our fans just simply say “well Georgia had more talent “ and then leave it at that.
The UNCOMFORTABLE fact is that Kirby continues to out coach our coaching staff.
In our defense he does that to almost every other coach too.

He’s Georgias version of Heupel. He was Nick Saban best DC for 8 solid years.
Heupel simply needs to hand over his baby to a coach with real OC experience and their own brand of offense to merge with Huepels offense .

Heupel offense isn’t the same as it was in 2021. We run a lot of 12 personnel 2 TEs offense and not spread all the way to sideline. And there’s times where there’s variety, but then we always go back to the base offense and trying to run at a defense with our wide splits and any average SEC dline will find success too often.

Heupel needs new blood to get his going in that offensive staff room.

Gruden for new OC!

 

[Buzzbait]

Is it too much to ask that critiques, criticisms, concerns and complaints about coaching and player development not be discussed on a player specific thread? These recruits and their support group read these posts, especially one directly related to their recruitment. Why cast doubt in their minds. Start a separate thread.

 

[MarcoVol]

“Sports talk with J” made a comment today on some sports show. He was the guest so it wasn’t his show.

But he said something to the effect of “Georgia just out talents Tennessee every year “

That’s false. Tennessee had the more veteran online and dline last season. SEC leading rusher. DT QB. UGA was playing the walk-on RB and their WRs hadn’t shined all season.
And then our top 5 defense gave up how many rushing yards to Carson Beck lol? That opened up the flood gates.

It’s started with UGA defense stifling our offense. 4 years straight they have done this. And then UGA made offensive adjustments. However our fans just simply say “well Georgia had more talent “ and then leave it at that.
The UNCOMFORTABLE fact is that Kirby continues to out coach our coaching staff.
In our defense he does that to almost every other coach too.

He’s Georgias version of Heupel. He was Nick Saban best DC for 8 solid years.
Heupel simply needs to hand over his baby to a coach with real OC experience and their own brand of offense to merge with Huepels offense .

Heupel offense isn’t the same as it was in 2021. We run a lot of 12 personnel 2 TEs offense and not spread all the way to sideline. And there’s times where there’s variety, but then we always go back to the base offense and trying to run at a defense with our wide splits and any average SEC dline will find success too often.

Heupel needs new blood to get his going in that offensive staff room.

UGA does out-talent the Vols, including last year.

They had 13 draft picks this last draft with 3 first rounders lol. 8 the year before with 2 first rounders.

Last year Vols had 4 draft picks with one first rounder and the year before 3 draft picks total.

 

[wmcovol]

UGA does out-talent the Vols, including last year.

They had 13 draft picks this last draft with 3 first rounders lol. 8 the year before with 2 first rounders.

Last year Vols had 4 draft picks with one first rounder and the year before 3 draft picks total.

Last years senior class was the 2021 recruiting class(Pruitts last class) . Go back & see where, what & who Ga, Ala & OSU signed compared to Tennessee. Outtalented is an understatement