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OrangeTsar said:
The religion is a death cult. Individual followers of course are usually fine people. But the religion if followed at a literal level; is the path of death.
Any religion that will cut your head off for drawing a picture of their founder ain’t healthy dude
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Most religions if followed at a "literal level" get pretty insane, including Christianity, but for every other religion people understand that not everyone is a fundamentalist
 
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NashVol11 said:
Most religions if followed at a "literal level" get pretty insane, including Christianity, but for every other religion people understand that not everyone is a fundamentalist
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Show me one instance of anything in the New Testament calling for the killing of unbelievers. I can wait……
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Can you elaborate on your point, please? I must be missing it. (Totally black font - I honestly think I missed it.)
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Christianity is not limited to the New Testament and cherry-picking the nicer parts to act like it's a superior religion is stupid. Also has this in it
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.
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NashVol11 said:
"In the New Testament" lmaoooo my point exactly
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?????
You said that literal following of any religion led to extreme actions. I merely made the point that Jesus and his early followers absolutely nothing about extremes. Except for the VERY extreme calls to love your enemies and to forgive others. (probably the most extreme teachings ever). As opposed to the words of the Islamic Prophet who litterally told his adherents to hunt down and slaughter Jews and anyone who would not submit to Allah.
In fact, if everyone „literally@ followed the teachings of Christianity as taught by the founder; the world would be a veritable paradise. Do you disagree?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
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You said that literal following of any religion led to extreme actions. I merely made the point that Jesus and his early followers absolutely nothing about extremes. Except for the VERY extreme calls to love your enemies and to forgive others. (probably the most extreme teachings ever). As opposed to the words of the Islamic Prophet who litterally told his adherents to hunt down and slaughter Jews and anyone who would not submit to Allah.
In fact, if everyone „literally@ followed the teachings of Christianity as taught by the founder; the world would be a veritable paradise. Do you disagree?
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He said "take it literally", which doesn't help the conversation at all, as anyone without a decent grasp on hermeneutic principles can read anything they want out of context, take it literally, and apply it as they see fit. Examples abound in this forum alone, just from the past couple of days.

The better conversation would be to read each of them in context, refine the intent of the authors down to what it actually says, and compare on that basis. For example, the complete context of the Bible, does it ever tell Christians to enforce conversion on non-Christians, kill the infidels, or take over countries to create theocracies?

A plain, contextually consistent reading of the Koran: does it?

Arguing from the worst occurrences of misinterpretation is lazy and unproductive.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Christianity is not limited to the New Testament and cherry-picking the nicer parts to act like it's a superior religion is stupid. Also has this in it
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You made a mistake here. Christianity is limited to the New Testament. New Testament is about God's redemption of all people through Christ.
I think you meant to say Christians acknowledge / study / quote OT, too.
 
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McDad said:
You made a mistake here. Christianity is limited to the New Testament. New Testament is about God's redemption of all people through Christ.
I think you meant to say Christians acknowledge / study / quote OT, too.
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With respect: Perhaps to split hairs, bnut they're probably important to be clarified...

Christianity is not limited to the NT. Jesus said that all of the law and prophets are about him, so that too was about God's redemption of all people through Him. Paul said that all of that was written for 'our' (the church's) benefit. So, the OT is about God's grace and redemption in one way or another. We just need to be adept in interpreting it in that way,
 
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Orange_Crush said:
With respect: Perhaps to split hairs, bnut they're probably important to be clarified...

Christianity is not limited to the NT. Jesus said that all of the law and prophets are about him, so that too was about God's redemption of all people through Him. Paul said that all of that was written for 'our' (the church's) benefit. So, the OT is about God's grace and redemption in one way or another. We just need to be adept in interpreting it in that way,
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Poor choice of words on my part.

"Limited" to mean without Christ's sacrifice, there aren't Chistians and Christians are not bound to the Mosaic law.
 
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McDad said:
Poor choice of words on my part.

"Limited" to mean without Christ's sacrifice, there aren't Chistians and Christians are not bound to the Mosaic law.
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That’s not correct
That’s the Christian interpretation but messiah rejected that himself.
Those who reject the law and practice lawlessness don’t know the Messiah and are rejected by him.

Messiah speaks and he’s talking to people who believe they are his followers.

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [s]miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; leave Me, you who practice lawlessness.’


You are saved exactly the same way you always have been. By grace.
The “New Testament” teaches the return of the sacrificial system with the return of Messiah.
What’s that about?
 
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Orangeburst said:
You sure seem worried and wasting time about an opinion I stated. They are free to do as they want, and I am free to express my opinion.
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You are free to do so.
It’s ignorant. Which you typically don’t do. That’s why I responded to you but not others that say those things.
 
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#4,673
McDad said:
You made a mistake here. Christianity is limited to the New Testament. New Testament is about God's redemption of all people through Christ.
I think you meant to say Christians acknowledge / study / quote OT, too.
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At least my interpretation of the issue is that the Old Testament has God revealing Himself by establishing a small group or tribes as His chosen people and then using those people to set the stage for, and eventually to produce the Savior of the entire world. Or as the told Abraham „through you shall all the nations be blessed“.
Even though Israel had fulfilled its purpose through Jesus, God NEVER abandoned His everlasting covenant with Israel. It is beyond tragic that throughout the majority of years since Jesus, it was the church that seemed to lead the antisemitism. As such, it was us persecuting and killing our elder brother of faith
 
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Orangeburst said:
If you thinking mocking Christ is ignorant, be my guest
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I’m sorry but if we’re playing that game you are responsible for and believe everything that comes out of the westboro Baptist morons.

Hey have you ever been to broadway in Nashville and seen the stripper pole busses that have beds in them for hookups. Clearly all straight people should be judged based on the moral standards set on those buses.


You’re smarter than this bigotry
 
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