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The fastest way to "all being poor together" is the current system where the top .000002% hold more wealth than the bottom 50%, and MAGA wants to give tax breaks to the former
Someone being wealthy doesn’t someone else more poor. While yes wealth inequality is at all time high, each bracket is wealthier than they’ve ever been both in income and net worth (yes adjusted inflation). Younger generations are also growing their wealth at much quicker rates than previous generations
 
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Well all forms of capitalism in this world are regulated to a degree, so it is a spectrum. On one extreme is ideological libertarianism (does not exist in practice) and ideological socialism. The vast majority is the middle, in which there are conservative economics, liberalism (ie Clinton), social democracy. Our leftism peaked with the new deal, and since the rise of neoliberalism and later reagenomics we’ve shifted far more economically right as country. Especially in comparison to other westernized countries.
I do not believe you can find evidence our socialism peaked with the new deal. I believe the budget for welfare, safety nets, and social programs contradicts your thoughts.
Iit's difficult to say we are capitalist or socialist because both are applied. In a way, the biggest challenge is determining at what point in the blending do we conclude we are one or the other. 100%? 51%?
But I feel it is easy to determine the expansion of social programs in America based solely on where our spending is allocated.

By the way, I'm happy to look at the budget and spending data if you find that a fair way judge our 'social"-ism.
 
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Someone being wealthy doesn’t someone else more poor. While yes wealth inequality is at all time high, each bracket is wealthier than they’ve ever been both in income and net worth (yes adjusted inflation). Younger generations are also growing their wealth at much quicker rates than previous generations
Common sense post.
 
Any form of socialism must need eventually take on some degree of authoritarianism, no matter how well intentioned it begins.
In any economy, there are limited amounts of resources and services. They have to be distributed using some methodology. You can either have this done via a free market or by the government. And that means that eventually someone disagrees withbthe distribution and the result can only be coercion. In a social democracy, this usually looks softer and gentler; but it is still a form of authoritarianism. You mentioned government healthcare. There are never enough resources to go around so eventually someone has to be denied coverage through what is basically rationing. Authoritarianism with a smiley face but still someone telling you what you can and cannot have.

You mention corporate lobbyists. No one really like them; but is it really any different when the public sector unions lobby for resources under socialism? Are the unions and bureaucrats any more virtuous than the business people? Greed for power and control is just as corrosive as greed for money.
The bottom line is that socialism, in any of its guises, ignores human self interest in the naive belief that man is naturally altruistic and will make rational decisions for the good of the community. Capitalism at least recognizes human self interest and tries to make use of it to improve society by providing incentives for the people who provide goods and services.
Someone is going to make decisions for you in any sociopolitical system. The only question is will it be the socialist model in which excellence is rewarded the same as incompetence or the capitalist model in which the providers have a vested interest in doing a good job?
How does Scandinavia fit there?
To whom does France deny medical coverage?
 
I do not believe you can find evidence our socialism peaked with the new deal. I believe the budget for welfare, safety nets, and social programs contradicts your thoughts.
Iit's difficult to say we are capitalist or socialist because both are applied. In a way, the biggest challenge is determining at what point in the blending do we conclude we are one or the other. 100%? 51%?
But I feel it is easy to determine the expansion of social programs in America based solely on where our spending is allocated.

By the way, I'm happy to look at the budget and spending data if you find that a fair way judge our 'social"-ism.

When people say “socialism” in the U.S., they often mean anything with government intervention, but that’s not technically correct. True socialism involves the collective or state ownership of the means of production, not just taxing the wealthy or providing social services. What the New Deal and later programs represent is socially democratic reforms. So unless we’re talking about fully replacing capitalism, it’s more accurate to frame this as a debate about how far we’ve gone with social democracy, not socialism. But that’s just a matter of semantics.

Now, onto your point, yes, social spending has increased significantly since the New Deal. There’s no denying that programs like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid have grown into pillars of the federal budget. But just looking at the dollar amounts doesn’t tell the full story. The more important question is how that money is spent and who it benefits.

In European countries with strong social democracies, programs are universal, things like healthcare, childcare, education, and unemployment benefits are available to everyone. That universality builds solidarity, reduces stigma, and makes the programs politically resilient. In the U.S., by contrast, most programs are means-tested, you only qualify if you’re below a certain income level. This approach often stigmatizes recipients, creates bureaucratic barriers, and weakens public support, because people don’t feel personally invested in programs they can’t access.

So even though America spends more on social programs now than in the 1930s, that doesn’t mean we’ve become more progressive in structure or intent. If anything, we’ve shifted away from universal social protections and toward a patchwork system that reinforces division and political vulnerability. The New Deal might not have been the high point in spending, but it arguably was the high point in universal vision, something we’ve steadily backed away from since.
 
When people say “socialism” in the U.S., they often mean anything with government intervention, but that’s not technically correct. True socialism involves the collective or state ownership of the means of production, not just taxing the wealthy or providing social services. What the New Deal and later programs represent is socially democratic reforms. So unless we’re talking about fully replacing capitalism, it’s more accurate to frame this as a debate about how far we’ve gone with social democracy, not socialism. But that’s just a matter of semantics.

Now, onto your point, yes, social spending has increased significantly since the New Deal. There’s no denying that programs like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid have grown into pillars of the federal budget. But just looking at the dollar amounts doesn’t tell the full story. The more important question is how that money is spent and who it benefits.

In European countries with strong social democracies, programs are universal, things like healthcare, childcare, education, and unemployment benefits are available to everyone. That universality builds solidarity, reduces stigma, and makes the programs politically resilient. In the U.S., by contrast, most programs are means-tested, you only qualify if you’re below a certain income level. This approach often stigmatizes recipients, creates bureaucratic barriers, and weakens public support, because people don’t feel personally invested in programs they can’t access.

So even though America spends more on social programs now than in the 1930s, that doesn’t mean we’ve become more progressive in structure or intent. If anything, we’ve shifted away from universal social protections and toward a patchwork system that reinforces division and political vulnerability. The New Deal might not have been the high point in spending, but it arguably was the high point in universal vision, something we’ve steadily backed away from since.
Today's socialist are fine with regulating and taxing companies and businesses to the point that they have de facto control. While they will never officially take over a certain sector, they basically control it with the amount of Regulation place. It's basically the same thing. But, if you're an ally or a friend you can be excluded from those regulations based on your affiliation.
 
Going to see historic levels of Islamophobia over the next few months and people will talk about antisemitism instead

 
Majors believing something that is verifiably untrue and trolling about it forever? No way, stop the presses!
I asked you a few days ago twice and you didn’t answer. No big deal. I see in another thread it gets picked up with other posters on months of posting hate toward the Jewish people. It’s your words, not sure you classify that as untrue or trolling. Coming across as racist/anti-Semitic.

Lastly, is it safe to say you’re Muslim?
 
I asked you a few days ago twice and you didn’t answer. No big deal. I see in another thread it gets picked up with other posters on months of posting hate toward the Jewish people. It’s your words, not sure you classify that as untrue or trolling. Coming across as racist/anti-Semitic.

Lastly, is it safe to say you’re Muslim?
Because it has nothing to do with NYC and has been answered multiple times. Figure out the search function yet?
 
Because it has nothing to do with NYC and has been answered multiple times. Figure out the search function yet?
Got you down as Muslim and support Hamas. No need to search if asking you directly.

It’s a yes/no. No need for search or deflection.
 
Got you down as Muslim and support Hamas. No need to search if asking you directly.

It’s a yes/no. No need for search or deflection.
Majors believing something that is verifiably untrue and trolling about it forever? No way, stop the presses! Next you'll tell me he can't spell 3rd-grade words!
 
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When people say “socialism” in the U.S., they often mean anything with government intervention, but that’s not technically correct. True socialism involves the collective or state ownership of the means of production, not just taxing the wealthy or providing social services. What the New Deal and later programs represent is socially democratic reforms. So unless we’re talking about fully replacing capitalism, it’s more accurate to frame this as a debate about how far we’ve gone with social democracy, not socialism. But that’s just a matter of semantics.

Now, onto your point, yes, social spending has increased significantly since the New Deal. There’s no denying that programs like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid have grown into pillars of the federal budget. But just looking at the dollar amounts doesn’t tell the full story. The more important question is how that money is spent and who it benefits.

In European countries with strong social democracies, programs are universal, things like healthcare, childcare, education, and unemployment benefits are available to everyone. That universality builds solidarity, reduces stigma, and makes the programs politically resilient. In the U.S., by contrast, most programs are means-tested, you only qualify if you’re below a certain income level. This approach often stigmatizes recipients, creates bureaucratic barriers, and weakens public support, because people don’t feel personally invested in programs they can’t access.

So even though America spends more on social programs now than in the 1930s, that doesn’t mean we’ve become more progressive in structure or intent. If anything, we’ve shifted away from universal social protections and toward a patchwork system that reinforces division and political vulnerability. The New Deal might not have been the high point in spending, but it arguably was the high point in universal vision, something we’ve steadily backed away from since.
seeing actual intelligence in this forum is like finding an oasis in the Sahara. Last thing I ever expected to see in this thread lol
 
As I've said this whole time


Within the last year. I have rode the New York City subway and the Washington DC Metro Rail. In New York, I witnessed one guy talking crazy and began yelling and cursing other riders. A few homeless passed out drunk and one guy who had pissed on the floor. The Metro rail is much more clean, and safe way to travel.
 
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