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BeardedVol said:
I don't recall Jesus predicating "love your neighbor as you love yourself" with "as long as that neighbor is legally within the arbitrary bounds of the nation-state that exists in the time period in which you live."

Since you all also like to go back to the Old Testament when it suits you to justify your actions as being because of your 'religious beliefs', Leviticus is pretty clear in what says about how you should treat foreigners in your lands.

'And if a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall not mistreat him. 34 The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as [a]one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.'
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but what if “the stranger” has broken laws to get here. The Bible is pretty explicit on that. I can share if needed.
 
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Vol423 said:
It seems that Sotomayor is acknowledging that liberal indoctrination of kids in public schools is widespread.

"Justice Sonia Sotomayor, writing for the dissent, said exposing students to the fact that "LGBTQ people exist" does not warrant Supreme Court intervention. Sotomayor said she believed the high court's decision would open floodgates for students to opt out of a wider range of lessons."

"The result will be chaos for this Nation’s public schools," Sotomayor wrote. "Requiring schools to provide advance notice and the chance to opt out of every lesson plan or story time that might implicate a parent’s religious beliefs will impose impossible administrative burdens on schools."
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That's not at all what she is saying. So now, if you are a Quaker you can pull your kid out of World History class because you are offended by the violence of WW2.

This ruling will be celebrated by all the snowflake parents raising snowflake kids.
 
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Buddy’s Bandit said:
but what if “the stranger” has broken laws to get here. The Bible is pretty explicit on that. I can share if needed.
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Jesus didn't seem to care about the laws of man.
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Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 22:36-40 - New International Version

“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the...
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BeardedVol said:
I don't recall Jesus predicating "love your neighbor as you love yourself" with "as long as that neighbor is legally within the arbitrary bounds of the nation-state that exists in the time period in which you live."

Since you all also like to go back to the Old Testament when it suits you to justify your actions as being because of your 'religious beliefs', Leviticus is pretty clear in what says about how you should treat foreigners in your lands.

'And if a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall not mistreat him. 34 The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as [a]one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.'
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Ah, so allowing the government to deport illegals is unloving? I can't feed them, help them, etc while also understanding the need for closed borders and immigration laws in the US? That's odd, as I've actually participated in ministries that help immigrants (many who are illegal) with food, clothes, childcare, etc. And I simultaneously believe that legal immigration is important and that deporting illegal immigrants is ethical, by and large.

Let's think wider about what it is to love all of our neighbors? The ones murdered by undocumented illegal aliens because they weren't vetted? The ones who wanted to come here through the legal processes but instead watched illegal immigrants break the law to cut in line and take their place, and watched the last administration urinate on their time, efforts and money by releasing innumerable illegal aliens in? The ones who are victims of identity theft?

If I have three spare bedrooms in my house, you may call it unloving to lock my doors and be particular about who I invite in to sleep there, and how I make such decisions. That is, until I unlock the doors and my house becomes an overrun crack house that's of no use to anyone.

Perhaps it's loving to manage my home well so that I can continue to be able to help those that I can help with my limited resources. Legal immigration is one important mechanism by which our country keeps itself healthy enough to help whose whom we can help.

(And you were quoting a verse that was directed to Israel at that time and place. One important hermeneutic rule entails understanding the context of who it was to and why it was given. You'll note that Christians are not Jews living in ancient Israel. We are Christians living in secular nations, who are commanded to respect our government and its laws, respecting their authority as granted by God, and their "sword" as God's tool to bring fear against lawlessness. I notice you aren't begging Christians to stone homosexuals and prostitutes. You should probably appreciate that hermeneutic rule.)

I am happy to discuss this with you, but your flat, shallow interpretations, used merely to try to shame people into agreeing with you, will need to change.
 
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BeardedVol said:
I don't recall Jesus predicating "love your neighbor as you love yourself" with "as long as that neighbor is legally within the arbitrary bounds of the nation-state that exists in the time period in which you live."

Since you all also like to go back to the Old Testament when it suits you to justify your actions as being because of your 'religious beliefs', Leviticus is pretty clear in what says about how you should treat foreigners in your lands.

'And if a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall not mistreat him. 34 The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as [a]one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.'
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Also, I am convinced that Jesus supports very strict immigration policies. Heaven has and will have the strictest.
 
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Buddy’s Bandit said:
but what if “the stranger” has broken laws to get here. The Bible is pretty explicit on that. I can share if needed.
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That was ancient Israel, given to a certain people, at a certain time for a certain reason. It's a hugely bad attempt.

Again... By his logic, we shouldn't be debating pride flags in schools. We should be stoning homosexuals.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Jesus didn't seem to care about the laws of man.
www.biblegateway.com

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 22:36-40 - New International Version

“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the...
www.biblegateway.com www.biblegateway.com
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That argument works against your point so much that I'm amazed you can't see it.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Oh look another checkmark in President Trump's nomination for a Nobel Prize.

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OMG.

The only thing more pathetic than how much time Donald Trump has spent lobbying for that trivial individual accolade, and how insanely important it obviously is to him and his egotistical needs ....

.... is how equally important it is to the members of his cult of personality, who live vicariously through him.

Donald Trump has an obsessive need for praise and adoration and his pathetic following is all-too-eager to please him. It's on display here every day.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
OMG.

The only thing more pathetic than how much time Donald Trump has spent lobbying for that trivial individual accolade, and how insanely important it obviously is to him and his egotistical needs ....

.... is how equally important it is to the members of his cult of personality, who live vicariously through him.

Donald Trump has an obsessive need for praise and adoration and his pathetic following is all-too-eager to please him. It's on display here every day.
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I'll point out that Trump has mentioned the Nobel Prize far less than you have posted here about him. So, the question is begged: Who is more obsessive?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I'll point out that Trump has mentioned the Nobel Prize far less than you have posted here about him. So, the question is begged: Who is more obsessive?
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LOL. That is not even close to the truth. Trump has literally posted messages on social media for the last 7 years, which not only mentioned the Nobel Peace Prize ... but lobbied for it, and also whined about why he wouldn't receive it. It's been dozens of times over the course of those 7 years. Your post is just your standard defense of him. Weak.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Or you live in an echo room and only talk to like minded folks. Lincoln was a war criminal. I don’t need Shelby Foote to tell me that.
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If you truly believe that, then you are the one in a right-wing nutty echo chamber of like-minded idiots. We already knew that to be true, however.

... and you do need to be told how to think.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If you truly believe that, then you are the one in a right-wing nutty echo chamber of like-minded idiots. We already knew that to be true, however.

... and you do need to be told how to think.
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How can there be a room full of like minded idiots if according to your previous post Hog is the only one that thinks that way about Lincoln?? Think about it and get back to me.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
How can there be a room full of like minded idiots if according to your previous post Hog is the only one that thinks that way about Lincoln?? Think about it and get back to me.
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I think of the redneck right on here as all being one and the same, since none of you have a mind of your own.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I think of the redneck right on here as all being one and the same, since none of you have a mind of your own.
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I apologize. “Get back to me” was rhetorical and gave the false impression that I actually cared what you thought. That’s my fault for misleading you. You’re dismissed now.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
LOL. That is not even close to the truth. Trump has literally posted messages on social media for the last 7 years, which not only mentioned the Nobel Peace Prize ... but lobbied for it, and also whined about why he wouldn't receive it. It's been dozens of times over the course of those 7 years. Your post is just your standard defense of him. Weak.
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He has more tweets about the Nobel Prize than you have posts here about him?

If you say so. I'll take your word for it. You may be slightly less obsessive about Trump than he is about the Nobel Prize. Keep up the good work.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
He has more tweets about the Nobel Prize than you have posts here about him?

If you say so. I'll take your word for it. You may be slightly less obsessive about Trump than he is about the Nobel Prize. Keep up the good work.
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You might be slightly less infatuated with Donald Trump .... but you're not.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
I apologize. “Get back to me” was rhetorical and gave the false impression that I actually cared what you thought. That’s my fault for misleading you. You’re dismissed now.
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That's fine ... it doesn't bother me at all, but if you don't care about what I think, then put me on ignore, so you can't read my posts, and reply to them.

I frequently encourage right-wing posters on here to do this, but nobody ever seems to.
 
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