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NashVol11 said:
This won't happen. The idea that taxing the rich will ruin x city or x country is perhaps the most effective propaganda that rich people have used to convince poorer people to vote against their own interests. We're ballooning our own deficit just so rich people don't have to pay taxes, and MAGA is in favor of that.
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Ridiculous as usual. They already pay taxes. The problem is fraud and waste, that ironically you support, and you want to invest in more waste by making them pay more.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Middle incomers are leaving NY at fastest rate..The poor cant afford to leave, so you end up with huge income disparity gulf just like California cities..the wealth looks impressive, but with an awful ugly underbelly.
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That would make sense. Those are most affected as a percentage of income and don't have access to the resources of the very wealthy to side step the taxes.
 
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McDad said:
If accurate, that is fascinating. How many times has a mayoral candidate received a surge related to a national policy instead of the local issues which more directly impact the city inhabitants? I can't image it has happened much in our history.
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Tbh I think it's more the opposite side of the coin, that the establishment tried to bury him by demanding allegiance to Israel and it didn't work
 
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C-south said:
Ridiculous as usual. They already pay taxes. The problem is fraud and waste, that ironically you support, and you want to invest in more waste by making them pay more.
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The reason our deficit is increasing is not "fraud and waste," it's tax cuts for the wealthy. All of the other cuts in spending are just to pay for tax cuts and they still don't come anywhere close

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C-south said:
I may be looking at it wrong but this shows nothing about taxes or how they’re broken down.
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The Ways and Means stuff is largely just extensions of tax cuts, but below is a thread with more detail (especially in the first post, which explains each item)

 
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McDad said:
Defund the police is a catch-all phrase and it doesn't mean the same thing to all people. Some literally do want to disband the police. Others want to defund their military-type gear and weapons. And others are wanting to defund them as first responders when there is a mentally or emotionally unstable person who needs intercession.
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A social worker will call the police when at person attacks them or makes threats. Any person with common sense and logic should understand that sometimes you need Force against some of these criminals. This is why liberal either live in a fantasy land, or they understand the reality but they use that to gain more power, which I believe is the latter
 
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McDad said:
I possess no knowledge to contradict your claims. But there is a point where the juice is no longer worh the squeeze. People choose to live where they do for all sorts of reasons. Expense is one of the factors. The weathly have access to resources which provide a lot of choices (remote work, transportation, etc). If the golden geese are killed, and the revenue is not made up, it will eventually have an impact.
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Too much logic for Nash, I see no emotions in your post.
 
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NashVol11 said:
This won't happen. The idea that taxing the rich will ruin x city or x country is perhaps the most effective propaganda that rich people have used to convince poorer people to vote against their own interests. We're ballooning our own deficit just so rich people don't have to pay taxes, and MAGA is in favor of that.
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You think a $30 minimum wage is in the best interests of the working poor?
 
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McDad said:
I possess no knowledge to contradict your claims. But there is a point where the juice is no longer worh the squeeze. People choose to live where they do for all sorts of reasons. Expense is one of the factors. The weathly have access to resources which provide a lot of choices (remote work, transportation, etc). If the golden geese are killed, and the revenue is not made up, it will eventually have an impact.
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Of course. I'm just pointing out that "all the rich people leaving NYC and wrecking their revenue" is painted as just around the corner every couple of years with not much to show for it
 
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McDad said:
"ruin" is the operative word. Once the tax base is gone, services, infrastructure, etc all suffer. Tourism would likely keep NYC well funded in spite of losing the very wealthy. But that only happens if tourists feel safe.
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Look at Detroit for the model. Once a city of over 1.5 million (I believe). The latest I heard was right around 700K.
 
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NashVol11 said:
The tax base doesn't leave, though. NYC has increased taxes on millionaires twice recently and ended up with more millionaires and more revenue each time
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Then based on your silly logic, let's text them 60% or 70% we'll see how that works
 
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I guess one thing about having a Muslim as a mayor, they don't have to worry about any terrorist attacks
 
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McDad said:
I possess no knowledge to contradict your claims. But there is a point where the juice is no longer worh the squeeze. People choose to live where they do for all sorts of reasons. Expense is one of the factors. The weathly have access to resources which provide a lot of choices (remote work, transportation, etc). If the golden geese are killed, and the revenue is not made up, it will eventually have an impact.
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Yep. I saw a phrase the other day where someone said "Wall Street is a system now, not a place" There is no need to live in NYC or Jersey and commute to WS anymore. You can live on South Beach and work remotely. Win win.
 
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jp1 said:
But why is it okay to increase taxes on millionaires?
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dalton_vol said:
A social worker will call the police when at person attacks them or makes threats. Any person with common sense and logic should understand that sometimes you need Force against some of these criminals. This is why liberal either live in a fantasy land, or they understand the reality but they use that to gain more power, which I believe is the latter
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What you say is true. A person at risk of harming others, or making credible threats will require police assistance anyway. But the key to me is what else you said. See in your post where you say, "that sometimes you need Force"? There the heart of what I am talking about. Sometime force is needed. Sometimes it isn't. Right now the only recourse we have to respond to the moment are people who are trained in force and are seen as force. What about the times it isn't needed or even pours gas on the open fire and makes it worse?
 
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NashVol11 said:
This won't happen. The idea that taxing the rich will ruin x city or x country is perhaps the most effective propaganda that rich people have used to convince poorer people to vote against their own interests. We're ballooning our own deficit just so rich people don't have to pay taxes, and MAGA is in favor of that.
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Those taxes get passed on the consumers. Always have always will.

Revenue isn't the issue, spending is. People having control over their own money forces them to be better stewards of it. The problem is inflated pricing due to spending.

all socialist policies really do is lock the poorer people into dependency on the state. We already have some version of that now we refer to as the welfare state.

I don't have anything against poor people. Hell my wife and I unfortunately are on the doorstep ourselves. But I know government isn't the answer, but rather the problem. Some socialist policies are good, not others are not. It could be argued that many of the socialist policies currently are hurting us.

That said I didn't see a problem with a point or two higher for corporate tax rates, but that would be amongst the highest in the world.

A reduction in spending on the security of foreign countries would also be nice to see. But the MIC will never let that happen.
 
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McDad said:
What you say is true. A person at risk of harming others, or making credible threats will require police assistance anyway. But the key to me is what else you said. See in your post where you say, "that sometimes you need Force"? There the heart of what I am talking about. Sometime force is needed. Sometimes it isn't. Right now the only recourse we have to respond to the moment are people who are trained in force and are seen as force. What about the times it isn't needed or even pours gas on the open fire and makes it worse?
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I understand your point, I do think the police are getting more impatient but I also think the people are getting a lot more aggressive. it's a circular problem. If a police tries to be patient and tries to talk to that person, that person gets extremely belligerent name calls and then that policeman loses his patience so it's a perpetual motion of tempers being escalated. I do think that the politicians and these non-government organizations, antifa, these other radical leftist groups want these escalations against the police. You continue to agitate and that's how you get change and normally the change doesn't benefit people
 
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KB5252 said:
Those taxes get passed on the consumers. Always have always will.

Revenue isn't the issue, spending is. People having control over their own money forces them to be better stewards of it. The problem is inflated pricing due to spending.

all socialist policies really do is lock the poorer people into dependency on the state. We already have some version of that now we refer to as the welfare state.

I don't have anything against poor people. Hell my wife and I unfortunately are on the doorstep ourselves. But I know government isn't the answer, but rather the problem. Some socialist policies are good, not others are not. It could be argued that many of the socialist policies currently are hurting us.

That said I didn't see a problem with a point or two higher for corporate tax rates, but that would be amongst the highest in the world.

A reduction in spending on the security of foreign countries would also be nice to see. But the MIC will never let that happen.
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No they don't, the rich, especially rich liberals yern to pay more taxes. Right Nash?
 
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