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marcusluvsvols said:
Iran is the largest sponsor of terrorist organizations on Earth. You dispute that?

So because the terrorists who actually conducted the 3 attacks werent born in Iran means that their groups/sponsors weren't paid for by Iran?

Is it just where a terrorist is born that matters?

Should we not try and root out ALL islamic terrorist organizations and their sponsors?

Do you know who actually financed and "radicalized" the terrorists involved in those 3 attacks on American soil?

I want them all dead. Every single jihad minded muslim on Earth. All of them. In every nation, on every continent, on this entire planet. Let them go hang out with their child molester prophet who married a 6yo girl...but waited til she was 9 to screw her. (Allegedly) Is that clear enough?

If you just want the ones dead who already killed Americans...or none at all ...thats up to you. We are different though.
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The more you bomb, the more will appear. See: 9/11 Commission Report.

It's like trying to jail all the drug dealers rather than dealing with the root causes. Completely misses the target.
 
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Devo182 said:
The more you bomb, the more will appear. See: 9/11 Commission Report.

It's like trying to jail all the drug dealers rather than dealing with the root causes. Completely misses the target.
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No better way to create more terrorists than to kill an entire poor and innocent young kid's family and leave him alone in the world.

Whether you specifically believe in God and Jesus or not, this is why Christ told us to pray for the salvation of these people, not try to kill them all.
 
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The English Translation


Fellow compatriots,

The Islamic Republic has reached its end and is in the process of collapsing. Khamenei, like a frightened rat, has gone into hiding underground and has lost control of the situation. What has begun is irreversible. The future is bright, and together we will pass through this sharp turn in history.

In these difficult days, my heart is with all the unarmed citizens who have been harmed and have become victims of Khamenei’s warmongering and delusions. For years, I have strived to prevent our homeland from being consumed by the fire of war.

The end of the Islamic Republic marks the end of its 46-year war against the Iranian nation.

The regime’s repression apparatus is falling apart. Only one united uprising is needed to end this nightmare once and for all.

Now is the time to rise. The time to reclaim Iran. Let us all come together—from Bandar Abbas to Bandar Anzali, from Shiraz to Isfahan, from Tabriz to Zahedan, from Mashhad to Ahvaz, from Shahr-e Kord to Kermanshah—and bring about the end of this regime.

Do not fear the day after the fall of the Islamic Republic. Iran will not descend into civil war or instability. We have a plan for Iran’s future and its flourishing. We are prepared for the first 100 days after the fall, for the transitional period, and for the establishment of a national and democratic government—by the people of Iran, for the people of Iran.

A message to the military, police, intelligence, and state forces—many of whom have been sending me messages in recent days:
“Do not stand against the Iranian people to preserve a regime whose fall has already begun and is inevitable. Do not sacrifice yourselves for this rotten regime. By standing with the people, you can save your lives. Play a historic role in the transition from the Islamic Republic—and take part in building Iran’s future.”

A free and prosperous Iran lies ahead. May we soon stand together.

Long live Iran!
Long live the Iranian nation!
 
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EasternVol said:
I wasn't there then but how were things in the smaller cities and countryside? I know in a lot of countries, including the US, that people can let their hair down in the cities because of the anonymity there. Go to the village and it's conservative dress. Except for Bali long ago but that was an outlier and it's a shame it changed.
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I don't know I wasn't born yet. I'm just going by pics & vids you can find online.
 
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MAD said:
I’d say the Islamic Republic has no viable allies anymore.
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Russia and China.

Historically, seeing the Shah conversations here, the US and Britain overthrew a democratically elected leader in Iran to establish the Shah. It was over oil, of course, and hardly unusual for the Cold War in those days for Russia or the US to have a silent finger on regime changes in various countries and hardly unusual for the US to protect oil interests which the guy before the Shah had privatized.

Being a practical man, I'm not a moralist about this. It was better for America for the Shah to be in power and people died with our blessing to both get him in power and keep him in power. The world does not operate by kindergarten "now, you need to share and play fair" rules. You need to choose sides, play nasty, and protect your interests.

I personally just feel it's better to give the world the appearance that Israel and the Saudis maintain a nice, relatively peaceful balance in the region and that they pay America well for the military equipment needed.

Russia and China can fund whoever is left but my money is on Israel and the Saudis to keep things reasonably level in the ME.
 
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utvolpj said:
Yes I dispute the label. In the past 25yrs who has caused the most innocent deaths in the world? The Saudis likely had more to do with 911 and have been horrible across the ME but people want to call them allies

You're attempting to tie unrelated events to this current mess with Iran which is nonsensical. You can just call Iran terrorists and then ascribe all terrorist acts in the world to them
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I think your opinion is 100% as "nonsensical" as you think mine is. Give you credit for not deleting my post though since youre a mod.

Another poster already posted a link between Iran sponsoring terrorist attacks in the US right up there^^^. Even if they had not, they are 100% THE financial backers of both Hamas and Hezbollah...and are 100% responsible for the the attacks in Israel on Oct. 7th and before as well as since. Now they are getting their just rewards for those despicable actions. You apparently see the attacks against Americans and attacks against Israelis as 2 different wars. I do not. I see one war. A war against islamic terrorists wherever they may be. Those who wish death and destruction upon my country, my family, and me. They are my enemies. I hope Israel kills as many of them as possible. That isn't nonsensical...it isnt even illogical. Its logically consistent. "Love your enemy" is not logical. Its Biblical...but I have yet to see it in practice even once in my life. Love to see some of these folks here "loving their enemy" if it was their wife/kid/cousin/neighbor being beheaded on video by some camelhumper from the M.E. Its easy to say things like that...or quote scripture. Much harder where the rubber meets the road though in my experience.

I support Israel 100% and am happy that we are not the ones spending our blood and treasure to kill the muslim terrorists and their sponsors. I have been clear and consistent in my posts in this thread regarding not wanting us to get involved in offensive operations for a change. I am very happy that Israel is doing the heavy lifting this time. Hopefully they can also do the Iranian people a big favor and help usher in a new government that the people support. One that does not sponsor and create terrorists.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
I think your opinion is 100% as "nonsensical" as you think mine is. Give you credit for not deleting my post though since youre a mod.

Another poster already posted a link between Iran sponsoring terrorist attacks in the US right up there^^^. Even if they had not, they are 100% THE financial backers of both Hamas and Hezbollah...and are 100% responsible for the the attacks in Israel on Oct. 7th and before as well as since. Now they are getting their just rewards for those despicable actions. You apparently see the attacks against Americans and attacks against Israelis as 2 different wars. I do not. I see one war. A war against islamic terrorists wherever they may be. Those who wish death and destruction upon my country, my family, and me. They are my enemies. I hope Israel kills as many of them as possible. That isn't nonsensical...it isnt even illogical. Its logically consistent. "Love your enemy" is not logical. Its Biblical...but I have yet to see it in practice even once in my life. Love to see some of these folks here "loving their enemy" if it was their wife/kid/cousin/neighbor being beheaded on video by some camelhumper from the M.E. Its easy to say things like that...or quote scripture. Much harder where the rubber meets the road though in my experience.

I support Israel 100% and am happy that we are not the ones spending our blood and treasure to kill the muslim terrorists and their sponsors. I have been clear and consistent in my posts in this thread regarding not wanting us to get involved in offensive operations for a change. I am very happy that Israel is doing the heavy lifting this time. Hopefully they can also do the Iranian people a big favor and help usher in a new government that the people support. One that does not sponsor and create terrorists.
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Israel itself funded Hamas. Perhaps we should bomb them as well.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Russia and China.

Historically, seeing the Shah conversations here, the US and Britain overthrew a democratically elected leader in Iran to establish the Shah. It was over oil, of course, and hardly unusual for the Cold War in those days for Russia or the US to have a silent finger on regime changes in various countries and hardly unusual for the US to protect oil interests which the guy before the Shah had privatized.

Being a practical man, I'm not a moralist about this. It was better for America for the Shah to be in power and people died with our blessing to both get him in power and keep him in power. The world does not operate by kindergarten "now, you need to share and play fair" rules. You need to choose sides, play nasty, and protect your interests.

I personally just feel it's better to give the world the appearance that Israel and the Saudis maintain a nice, relatively peaceful balance in the region and that they pay America well for the military equipment needed.

Russia and China can fund whoever is left but my money is on Israel and the Saudis to keep things reasonably level in the ME.
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I agree with everything you wrote. Especially the part about the appearance that Israel and The Saudis play nice.


 
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Iranian alliance status check:

Russia - out

Saudi Arabia - out, quietly supporting Israel

Syria - out, allowing Israel in air space

China - quiet

Candace Owens - in
 
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MAD said:
Iranian alliance status check:

Russia - out

Saudi Arabia - out, quietly supporting Israel

Syria - out, allowing Israel in air space

China - quiet

Candace Owens - in
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Since when did not supporting Americans being involved in Israel's endless ******** immediately mean someone is allied with Iran? Most people my age must be antisemitic Iran-lovers because we don't want to watch our generation get shredded for no reason.
 
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MAD said:
I agree with everything you wrote. Especially the part about the appearance that Israel and The Saudis play nice.
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I'm not savvy enough about the oil situation in he region to know if Iran falling and leaning more to the US would affect the Russia-Ukraine issue.

Russia holds a lot of oil sales to bully Europe and leveraged that to keep Europe from going all in with Ukraine. Iran has a lot of oil and if that oil became more accessible to Europe, they might pull more weight in Ukraine.

Pure speculation and not very educated speculation on my part but I'm trying to think of reasons Russia SHOULD care much about Iran.
 
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