President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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Vol8188 said:
So no one should be detained ever because eye witnesses and DNA can be wrong?

You’re just arguing for the sake of it. Even you don’t believe this stupidity you’re saying.

You’re absolutely complaining about ice grabbing people with deportation orders. You’re telling me if ICE had such an order but the person didn’t have an ID on them, ICE couldn’t detain them.

That’s the topic.
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It is a surreal argument.
 
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McDad said:
In that administration, you do, or do not, consent to presenting your license, registration, and proof of insurance at LEO checkpoints set up on the road?
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that's not as black and white of a situation as you are presenting. some have been upheld in courts, others have been tossed. even when driving on public roads and encountering a check point of some sort the Supreme Court has ruled that people still have rights. and that the cops must still have reason to detain or arrest someone.

presenting that information thru a window with no talking with the cops is how I have handled it in the past.

is it the governments job to check every privilege a person has? Especially at random, and for no other reason than they were in the wrong place at the wrong time?

you are excusing far more than you realise.

how did you feel about the vaccine passports? surely that was just the government checking your privilege.
 
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LouderVol said:
that's not as black and white of a situation as you are presenting. some have been upheld in courts, others have been tossed. even when driving on public roads and encountering a check point of some sort the Supreme Court has ruled that people still have rights. and that the cops must still have reason to detain or arrest someone.

presenting that information thru a window with no talking with the cops is how I have handled it in the past.

is it the governments job to check every privilege a person has? Especially at random, and for no other reason than they were in the wrong place at the wrong time?

you are excusing far more than you realise.

how did you feel about the vaccine passports? surely that was just the government checking your privilege.
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In that privilege, you cooperate voluntarily. That's reasonable. If we change the location, say the LEO followed you home from a red light for a few minutes and asked for your info in your driveway...still voluntarily comply or is your response different?
 
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LouderVol said:
where did I say anything of the sort? That is something you made up because you can't comprehend the distinctions I hold.

I have said repeatedly if ICE has an order or a warrant I am not going to complain. I have just pointed out that most of their actions are not backed by either.

most of the time they find out someone had a deportation order AFTER they were otherwise detained. so that can't even be used as justification. I am old enough to remember people complaining about the left investigating Trump to find what crimes he is guilty of. sorry, but not surprised, that so many have changed.

once we accept any part of the government using loose justifications to do bad actions, the rest of the government will find ways to manipulate it later. this ICE power trip is just an extension of the power grabs from Covid, which were a power grab extension from the patriot act, which was an extension of some other power grab from before I was born.
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So here’s the scenario:

1. Let’s assume ICE has an actual warrant for person X.

2. Person Y is wrongly believed to be person x.

3. Person Y does not have an ID on them.

4. Person Y is detained for 8 hours while they sort the situation out.

Is this some great evil from the system? Or is this how the system should work?

I would argue (I think most would) that this is what should happen.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So here’s the scenario:

1. Let’s assume ICE has an actual warrant for person X.

2. Person Y is wrongly believed to be person x.

3. Person Y does not have an ID on them.

4. Person Y is detained for 8 hours while they sort the situation out.

Is this some great evil from the system? Or is this how the system should work?

I would argue (I think most would) that this is what should happen.
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Which was my point earlier about the continuum of citizen's rights vs the gov't responsibilities to do their job.

Those two things will always be in tension, but this hyper-libertarian all-or-nothing view doesn't help.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Which was my point earlier about the continuum of citizen's rights vs the gov't responsibilities to do their job.

Those two things will always be in tension, but this hyper-libertarian all-or-nothing view doesn't help.
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Yep. “I don’t have an ID” isn’t a get out of jail card. If anything it’s a “I’ve put myself at higher risk of being wrongfully detained” card.
 
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Omaha PD seems to understand who they serve.

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Vol8188 said:
So here’s the scenario:

1. Let’s assume ICE has an actual warrant for person X.

2. Person Y is wrongly believed to be person x.

3. Person Y does not have an ID on them.

4. Person Y is detained for 8 hours while they sort the situation out.

Is this some great evil from the system? Or is this how the system should work?

I would argue (I think most would) that this is what should happen.
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ICE has/have administrative warrants that are carrying out for the courts for targeted individuals(s). Some individuals can/do get caught up in the effort and their situations are sorted out which could result in deportations. Exactly as it should work.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Omaha PD seems to understand who they serve.

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9.9M views · 235K reactions | Earlier today this attached photograph (photo 1) was brought to the attention of the Omaha Police Department. The photograph was immediately shown to Chief Todd Schmaderer. Chief Schmaderer directed Deputy Chief Scott Gr

Earlier today this attached photograph (photo 1) was brought to the attention of the Omaha Police Department. The photograph was immediately shown to Chief Todd Schmaderer. Chief Schmaderer directed...
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LOL
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There are so many ways this inappropriate deployment of Marines could go terribly wrong. It doesn't appear that has been considered at all.


Trump will never turn down an opportunity to stoke division. Whether speaking to the Boy Scouts of America at a Jubilee, or to Army soldiers in Fort Bragg .... No venue is off limits to his toxic political rhetoric, and he forces the audience to pick a side, even when the audience members (such as active duty Marines) are not supposed to be political pawns.
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Lol…yea….Your version of “division” is all that matters. Those that see dei, unchecked immigration, wokeism, changing names of military bases, the reality of 2 genders/sexes, etc as promoting division just have to be wrong. Get over yourself.
 
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LouderVol said:
citizens should absolutely be a force pushing back on the government. its what this country was founded on. what we have isn't a partnership, or if it is its one of the most one sided abusive relationships ever.

why should this country be different? Because we are. or at least we are supposed to be. are you suddenly a globalist like luther who believes we should comply with the world order? Going to give up your guns? Embrace higher taxes, and cost of living, because why should we be any different?

until Trump cucked you all being different than the rest of the world was a key bit of pride in our country.
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So as citizens we should push back on every instance of interaction with the state or are there instances where push back is not warranted??
Also can you point to an example of an American Citizen being deported not detained? Also is amazing to hear your passion for this given the fact you couldn't bring yourself to exercise you right to vote for or against it but yet your here pearl clutching.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So here’s the scenario:

1. Let’s assume ICE has an actual warrant for person X.

2. Person Y is wrongly believed to be person x.

3. Person Y does not have an ID on them.

4. Person Y is detained for 8 hours while they sort the situation out.

Is this some great evil from the system? Or is this how the system should work?

I would argue (I think most would) that this is what should happen.
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In your scenario, what is the RAS that person Y is person X?
 
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Now all of the "deport 'em all" goobers will suddenly be "we should just focus on the criminals" goobers. Why? Because Dear Leader said so. And Dems are the "sheep"

 
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Vol8188 said:
Y’all bore me. Already stated. They look like the individual in question. ICE believes them to be the individual in question
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So you are cool with an unlawful detention as long as the LEO has a description that reads "5'7" Hispanic male mid-20s" to point to as RAS?

Boots have never been shinier than they are now.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So you are cool with an unlawful detention as long as the LEO has a description that reads "5'7" Hispanic male mid-20s" to point to as RAS?

Boots have never been shinier than they are now.
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What I described would not be an unlawful detention. Why do you believe it would be?

You come in with this nonsense “you’re a boot licker!” “You’re cool with unlawful detention” and don’t even know wtf you’re talking about. Articulate, sir.

Why would it (my scenario, not your nonsense) be unlawful?
 
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Vol8188 said:
What I described would not be an unlawful detention. Why do you believe it would be?

You come in with this nonsense “you’re a boot licker!” “You’re cool with unlawful detention” and don’t even know wtf you’re talking about. Articulate, sir.

Why would it (my scenario, not your nonsense) be unlawful?
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If law enforcement detained a person based on "you are Hispanic and my meet the general description of the person I have a warrant for", yes it would be an illegal detention if the sole reason that the LEO interacted with the person was "he looked like the person described in my generic description"; what you are describing is just 'racial profiling'.
 
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Gavin Newsom says Trump is not 'all there' mentally and SOBS while accusing the president of making his teen daughter cry during LA riots​


California Governor Gavin Newsom continued his all out-messaging war against Donald Trump after he decided to send federal troops to California to help quell the riots in Los Angeles.

Newsom painted himself and his family as a victim of Trump's aggressive posture toward California, revealing that the president made his teenage daughter cry.

'I have a 15-year-old who quite literally came home from school crying because she was told on her last day of school — God as my witness — because she was told her daddy was getting arrested,' Newsom revealed on The Daily podcast hosted by the New York Times.

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The California governor also lamented that the president started calling him by the nickname 'Newscum.'

'Yeah, it's the president of United States calling someone scum, Newscum, which is, for what it's worth, what I think a seventh grader used to call me on Baltimore Street in Corte Madera, California,' he said.

Newsom blamed the president for the violent riots in Los Angeles as protestors burned cars and waved Mexican flags.


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Gavin Newsom says Trump is not 'all there' mentally and SOBS

California Governor Gavin Newsom continued his all out-messaging war against President Donald Trump's decision to send federal troops to California to help quell the riots in Los Angeles.
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