Trump vs Musk

#28
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lawgator1 said:
No, he just gets props for being the one Trump supporter who values his own consistency more than kissing Trump's butt.
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Gimme a fkn break.

He's got an axe to grind. That's it. He's a "whipping boy" and they're cutting EV credits. The only thing consistent about Musk is the smell of BS.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
He just got played. DOGE is worthless without cutting the budgets....
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And you'd have to have a much bigger republican majority to do that. Zero dems want serious cuts, they love destructive spending. There are about 15 or 20 republicans in congress who are scared of spending cuts because they are probably afraid they won't get re-elected.
 
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norrislakevol said:
And you'd have to have a much bigger republican majority to do that. Zero dems want serious cuts, they love destructive spending. There are about 15 or 20 republicans in congress who are scared of spending cuts because they are probably afraid they won't get re-elected.
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Bullshat. Rs just dont want to cut. There's 1 (and he always gets in line) who has deficit concerns. The rest largely do what Trump/defense lobbyists tells them to do. Until Trump tells them to cut, they wont.

Agree that 0 Dems want to cut spending. You have 5 R Senators that have any kind of vulnerability (NC, NC, WI, PA, ME). 2 of those 5 are not running for re-election and 2 are not up until 2030.
 
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norrislakevol said:
And you'd have to have a much bigger republican majority to do that. Zero dems want serious cuts, they love destructive spending. There are about 15 or 20 republicans in congress who are scared of spending cuts because they are probably afraid they won't get re-elected.
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All you need is a potus who makes it known he won't sign off on increased spending. Elon likely thought he had that based on every speech given by Trump but found out it's all a big lie

When the gop fiscal hawk simply wants to roll back to pre-covid levels you've lost the ability to claim "it's because of the dems."

Also hard to claim when your potus publically attacks gop members for voting against increased spending. Why do you all keep falling for it?
 
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utvolpj said:
All you need is a potus who makes it known he won't sign off on increased spending. Elon likely thought he had that based on every speech given by Trump but found out it's all a big lie

When the gop fiscal hawk simply wants to roll back to pre-covid levels you've lost the ability to claim "it's because of the dems."

Also hard to claim when your potus publically attacks gop members for voting against increased spending. Why do you all keep falling for it?
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?

I've never even heard Trump pretend at fiscal responsibility
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
When they decided to skip over DoD, that was all you needed to see
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^^^^ That right there. An instant $200B - $300B in cuts to set it at pre pandemic levels. Lowest hanging fruit for Congress/President for a budget item and it’s completely ignored.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Musk isnt consistent. He's just realizing he got played like a fool by the Trump admin...
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I don't know that he got played. He may very well have, but I remember more than one President that thought he was going to fix WFA and quickly found out that it ain't happening. At least not on any meaningful scale.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I don't know that he got played. He may very well have, but I remember more than one President that thought he was going to fix WFA and quickly found out that it ain't happening. At least not on any meaningful scale.
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Absolutely got played. Stevie Wonder saw how this was going to end up.....
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Absolutely got played. Stevie Wonder saw how this was going to end up.....
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You are a money guy so I'll trust you on this. Do you think that if Trump was serious about fixing WFA that they would fix anything other than the low hanging fruit? Can't fix it by EO as was proven already.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I don't know that he got played. He may very well have, but I remember more than one President that thought he was going to fix WFA and quickly found out that it ain't happening. At least not on any meaningful scale.
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He thought his Republican buddies were going to look out for him, but he's the reject again. He didn't fit in. They took his $250m and then turned on him socially and now are trying to take away his EV credits.

I promise you, he feels like they were playing him. I don't think they necessarily intended to. I just think he got in the building, and nobody could stand him (which I predicted).
 
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n_huffhines said:
He thought his Republican buddies were going to look out for him, but he's the reject again. He didn't fit in. They took his $250m and then turned on him socially and now are trying to take away his EV credits.

I promise you, he feels like they were playing him. I don't think they necessarily intended to. I just think he got in the building, and nobody could stand him (which I predicted).
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Don't have to be Nostradamus to predict that a guy with no social skills wouldn't fit in with political actors. I am curious though. Do you have a little more respect for the guy since he is willing to go against his own team when he thinks they ae wrong? I've seen so many people bend themselves into pretzels trying to defend what their guy is doing. It's kinda refreshing don't ya think?
 
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utvolpj said:
Which ev credits? The individual ones going away shouldn't have been a surprise as they were a campaign item
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It is an interesting question. When this was on the table last fall, I was wondering if Tesla had so much market power that they would benefit from the removal of the EV credit? Or he might've been promised they would back off this.

Tesla has been struggling for 6 months. The stock is down. He built a gigafactory for manufacturing a lemon, and the international competition is presenting huge problems for Tesla abroad. The math on that market power might've changed.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Don't have to be Nostradamus to predict that a guy with no social skills wouldn't fit in with political actors. I am curious though. Do you have a little more respect for the guy since he is willing to go against his own team when he thinks they ae wrong? I've seen so many people bend themselves into pretzels trying to defend what their guy is doing. It's kinda refreshing don't ya think?
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He's not on their team anymore. He started saying stuff after the falling out.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Mammoth spending bills are a problem, but unless Social Security and Medicare are reformed, the gnashing of teeth over the debt is just noise.
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No. Entitlement spending on Medicare and social security are not discretionary. By far the biggest part of the problem is defense spending and tax breaks for the wealthiest.
 
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