War in Ukraine

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BeardedVol said:
Yanukovych got elected in 2010 on a campaign of closer ties to the EU, you think that it was US diplomats that crafted that strategy for him?

Was it also US diplomats that told him to backpedal on his campaign promises 3 years later and take a big Russian dump on the citizens of Ukraine and then start killing them outright when they protested?

We'll just pretend that during this time that Russia didn't embargo all Ukrainian imports, and threaten their very sovereignty, just for even thinking of signing a trade agreement with the EU.

As much as some of you can't stand to admit it, there are things that happen on this planet that have little to nothing to do with the US.
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When are you heading over to fight for your boy zelensky?
 
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Massive 2.5 million classified documents leaked. Tells where all nuclear missile silos are, own assessed weaknesses, plumbing, entrances, capabilities of icbms and other missiles including the hypersonic icbm (avangard).
 
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LouderVol said:
when are you going to go over to fight for your boy Putin? oh you aren't, I guess that means you think Russia should just surrender now.

see how lazy that is?
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One is using our tax dollars and using our weapons, the other one really isn't. If one is saying its some type of moral obligation (of course I don't see the logic in this) than the right thing to do is sign up.

For me...

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Just do it without my money, and as far as I am concern normal relations with Russia and tell them we're sorry for training terrorists to blow up their pipeline.

see how lazy that is?
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Or someone lacks context. Sane people just want us to stop creating chaos and get our corrupt money out of world affairs.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
One is using our tax dollars and using our weapons, the other one really isn't. If one is saying its some type of moral obligation (of course I don't see the logic in this) than the right thing to do is sign up.

For me...

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Just do it without my money, and as far as I am concern normal relations with Russia and tell them we're sorry for training terrorists to blow up their pipeline.



Or someone lacks context. Sane people just want us to stop creating chaos and get our corrupt money out of world affairs.
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our money and weapons didn't start the fight. Putin did. putin is the one choosing to continue the violence. that is the context you have continuously ignored.
 
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LouderVol said:
our money and weapons didn't start the fight. Putin did. putin is the one choosing to continue the violence. that is the context you have continuously ignored.
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Yes it did, which is why Trump got Europe all on board at the UN, what do you think U.S.'s position is?

If you feel differently, go suit up.
 
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LouderVol said:
when are you going to go over to fight for your boy Putin? oh you aren't, I guess that means you think Russia should just surrender now.

see how lazy that is?
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Who would you rather fight for? Zelensky or putin? They both are corrupt. However Russia has the largest force and they are going to win this war. No matter how much money America and Europe throws at ukraine, Russia is going to win. The only way we stop Russia is by negotiating a peace deal or sending troops. Maybe this would be a good time to send European and American troops. Russia has been fighting for a while and it would be demoralizing to have to fight reinforcements.
 
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LouderVol said:
our money and weapons didn't start the fight. Putin did. putin is the one choosing to continue the violence. that is the context you have continuously ignored.
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We're in a proxy war anyways. Our money and our weapons are helping continue the fight
 
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dalton_vol said:
Who would you rather fight for? Zelensky or putin? They both are corrupt. However Russia has the largest force and they are going to win this war. No matter how much money America and Europe throws at ukraine, Russia is going to win. The only way we stop Russia is by negotiating a peace deal or sending troops. Maybe this would be a good time to send European and American troops. Russia has been fighting for a while and it would be demoralizing to have to fight reinforcements.
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Nobody is going to send troops in mass, its simple a scam.
 
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dalton_vol said:
Who would you rather fight for? Zelensky or putin? They both are corrupt. However Russia has the largest force and they are going to win this war. No matter how much money America and Europe throws at ukraine, Russia is going to win. The only way we stop Russia is by negotiating a peace deal or sending troops. Maybe this would be a good time to send European and American troops. Russia has been fighting for a while and it would be demoralizing to have to fight reinforcements.
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You'd fight for Russia? If so, look in a mirror and repeat that a few times.

Then contemplate your life on the tree of woe.
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dalton_vol said:
I'm saying if you had to choose, I'd rather not fight on either side.
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Lots of Russians have problems fighting for Russia. Ive probably see about 100 drone videos of them killing themselves instead of fighting. Fighting for Russia, at anytime in history, is never the best choice.
 
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dalton_vol said:
Who would you rather fight for? Zelensky or putin? They both are corrupt. However Russia has the largest force and they are going to win this war. No matter how much money America and Europe throws at ukraine, Russia is going to win. The only way we stop Russia is by negotiating a peace deal or sending troops. Maybe this would be a good time to send European and American troops. Russia has been fighting for a while and it would be demoralizing to have to fight reinforcements.
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sounds like you are ready to suit up for Putin then. whats stopping you? Is it gout? Bone spurs? ED? PE?

no one is making the "we should go fight for Ukraine" argument but you guys. as such you guys should be the first ones in line to go fight, for either side.
Bearded believes in some lala land where giving Ukraine infinite amounts of money and weapons will magically win them the war and make America better in the process. thats as far as the argument goes. you are the ones making the bs up about going to fight and yall need to stand by your argument.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Yes it did, which is why Trump got Europe all on board at the UN, what do you think U.S.'s position is?

If you feel differently, go suit up.
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no it didn't. what weapons and money were we giving ukraine back in 2013?

the worst thing you have the US guilty of is A state department official mentioning three names who never take power.
 
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dalton_vol said:
You honestly think that Ukraine's Army is morally Superior than Russian army?. They both are cut from the same cloth
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Lol, dude join up, get those rubles.
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Russian soldiers beaten for refusing to join 'meat assaults' in sickening clip

DISTRESSING CONTENT WARNING: One of the men is holding what appears to be a walking stick, suggesting he is already injured.
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Wounded Russian soldiers – some on crutches – used in ‘meat wave’ attacks

Injured Russian soldiers are being sent back into the line of fire in “meat wave” assaults.
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BeardedVol said:
Lol, dude join up, get those rubles.
www.express.co.uk

Russian soldiers beaten for refusing to join 'meat assaults' in sickening clip

DISTRESSING CONTENT WARNING: One of the men is holding what appears to be a walking stick, suggesting he is already injured.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
www.yahoo.com

Wounded Russian soldiers – some on crutches – used in ‘meat wave’ attacks

Injured Russian soldiers are being sent back into the line of fire in “meat wave” assaults.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
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I feel like you and @dalton_vol are having two different arguments. Y'all may want to check that.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol, dude join up, get those rubles.
www.express.co.uk

Russian soldiers beaten for refusing to join 'meat assaults' in sickening clip

DISTRESSING CONTENT WARNING: One of the men is holding what appears to be a walking stick, suggesting he is already injured.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
www.yahoo.com

Wounded Russian soldiers – some on crutches – used in ‘meat wave’ attacks

Injured Russian soldiers are being sent back into the line of fire in “meat wave” assaults.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
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So you think posting some random Little Snippets a video is going to show the true reality of this war? Fact is dude, Russia is going to win this war without troops from America or Europe.
 
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LouderVol said:
so are North Korean troops. north korean weapons. iranian drones, and who knows what all chinese stuff.
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I agree, has North Korea or China use their intelligence and satellites to coordinate attacks deep within ukraine? It seems that's what the abided regime did. No doubt that both sides are getting weapons from everybody. I think we pushed the limits some of the actions we did on behalf of Ukraine
 
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