Israel vs Palestinians

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n_huffhines said:
I'm saying the option has been on the table for Netanyahu for like 19 months.
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And it has been there for Hamas.

Release those hostages and much of the world likely views this conflict differently.

The notion the Israel should have accepted the hostages on Oct 9 and then left Hamas at status quo in Gaza was a non-starter. That would have encouraged more hostage taking and violence against Israel, and would have never been acceptable to Israel, any more than if Al-Qaeda had issued a “my bad” after 9-11.

There was going to be retribution. The only question was how much.

Hamas continuing to hold hostages has allowed Bibi to extract as much of that retribution as he has thought possible. And no one can suggest he stop as long as Hamas does Hamas things by holding captives.

What Hamas thought would be at best a negotiating tool for freeing captive Palestinians, at worst a security blanket ensuring their protection from offensive action, has instead become a plastic bag over their heads, suffocating them slowly and causing more suffering amongst the innocents in Gaza who are the collateral damage of war.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm saying the option has been on the table for Netanyahu for like 19 months.
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That option was a complete joke.

'Allow us to get away with the massacre while retaining the capacity to do it again and we'll release the hostages.......'

Israel completely evacuated the strip in 2005 and had the IDF forcibly remove settlers. It's not like Hamas quit indiscriminately firing rockets after Israel evacuated in 2005. There is no status quo to go back to.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Anybody ready to become neutral yet? Still want to pick a side?

This guy was the spokesperson for all the families of hostages.

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Lmfao this may be your dumbest take yet.

“The IDF should have simply allowed Hamas to return the hostages after the attack and done nothing”-Huff

Everyone is aware Hamas would’ve taken that insane deal you just quoted. That’s not news. The only news here is that you’re insane enough to believe that’s a deal Israel should accept
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
That option was a complete joke.

'Allow us to get away with the massacre while retaining the capacity to do it again and we'll release the hostages.......'

Israel completely evacuated the strip in 2005 and had the IDF forcibly remove settlers. It's not like Hamas quit indiscriminately firing rockets after Israel evacuated in 2005. There is no status quo to go back to.
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Where are you seeing that in the terms?

Netanyahu can still bomb them without troops entering Gaza.

Why has Netanyahu kept a lid on it this whole time? Ask yourself some simple questions.

The hostages have been justification for everything (see a post on this page). Now we're finding out they are not. This is a bombshell.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I have to ask why it would it violate international law if they were renters/squatters? I tried to find a definitive answer but I can't find anything other than this

"Under Israeli law, if Jews can prove that their families lived in East Jerusalem before the establishment of Israel in 1948, they can request the “return” of their property, even if Palestinian families have been living there for decades.

The law only applies to Israelis, and Palestinians do not have the same rights under it.

There’s a clear discrimination here where Jews can claim back any property that they claim they owned in the past prior to 1948, while Palestinians who lost their homeland in 500 villages inside Israel, including West Jerusalem, cannot claim back their property,” Mohammed Dahleh, a lawyer representing some of the Silwan families, told Al Jazeera."

Doesn't seem like they would need this law to make a claim if they were renters. Clearly we're looking at great injustice.
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They lost a war. As a result they lost the associated land. Huff finds that to be a great injustice!
 
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n_huffhines said:
Where are you seeing that in the terms?

Netanyahu can still bomb them without troops entering Gaza.

Why has Netanyahu kept a lid on it this whole time? Ask yourself some simple questions.

The hostages have been justification for everything (see a post on this page). Now we're finding out they are not. This is a bombshell.
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Lmfao you’ve been pretending to care about civilian casualties. Now you believe actual carpet bombing would’ve been a better strategy?

And no, the hostages haven’t been a justification for everything. What you’re stating has been known since the beginning of the conflict
 
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n_huffhines said:
Where are you seeing that in the terms?

Netanyahu can still bomb them without troops entering Gaza
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Bombing likely would have led to the same amount of civilian suffering, while likely being less effective at destroying Hamas, who would have hidden deep underground.

The power in the bombs necessary to destroy those bunkers, combined with Hamas’ well-known tactic of using Palestinians as human shields would potentially have led to more suffering and destruction for those above ground. But, that suffering of common citizens would have likely been a plus for Hamas, who see their own people as a disposable means to an end, rather than uniquely, inherently valuable human beings.
 
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Vol8188 said:
They lost a war. As a result they lost the associated land. Huff finds that to be a great injustice!
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Not really a direct response to your point, but as an observation, it was striking to drive through Israel and see what I can only describe as “ruins” on the hillside in some locations. Wall shells rising up through the vegetation, roads consumed by growth. They could have been hundreds of years old to me.

My Israeli (Palestinian) guide explained those as the destroyed homes of displaced Palestinian families after one of the many 20th century conflicts. (I can’t remember which one. 🤷‍♂️)

The thing we Americans really don’t comprehend is just how very small and compact the geography is over there. Border to border is so close. At first I was frustrated at the lack of direct roads between certain town, I didn’t understand why we had to keep doubling back as we drove to get where we were going. In retrospect I realize that there is a strategic defensive benefit to limited highways, especially in such close quarters.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Where are you seeing that in the terms?

Netanyahu can still bomb them without troops entering Gaza.

Why has Netanyahu kept a lid on it this whole time? Ask yourself some simple questions.

The hostages have been justification for everything (see a post on this page). Now we're finding out they are not. This is a bombshell.
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You're all over the map on this. How long before you post a screenshot of someone's Twitter post if Israel bombs Gaza? Troll on.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm saying the option has been on the table for Netanyahu for like 19 months
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I don't believe Hamas any more than I believe Netanyahu about what they will or won't do. They would never release the entirety of the hostages and used them as leverage much as they are now. Hamas knows if they released the hostages they were cooked. No leverage. They aren't stupid, and neither are the Israelis.

They would simply have stretched it out as long as possible....... Because they know Netanyahu is done, lines were crossed.... Again, just a continuation of the same back and forth.

There is only one solution that I can see that brings lasting peace. One of the two groups no longer resides in Israel. It's the only way for lasting, meaningful peace.

But I guess never giving up a dream is noble and worth while.....
 
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KB5252 said:
I don't believe Hamas any more than I believe Netanyahu about what they will or won't do. They would never release the entirety of the hostages and used them as leverage much as they are now. Haha knows of the released the hostages they were cooked. No leverage. They aren't stupid, and neither are the Israelis.

They would simply have stretched it out as long as possible....... Because they know Netanyahu is done, lines were crossed.... Again, just a continuation of the same back and forth.

There is only one solution as I see that brings laying peace. One of the two groups no longer resides in Israel. It's the only way for lasting, meaningful peace.
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Hamas gave Bibi what he's always wanted. An excuse to end this once and for all.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Tell me you don’t understand depth of field and telephoto lenses without telling me. It is obvious the child is walking between the fire and the camera.
People trapped by a fire don’t just slowly wander around.
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"The child is walking through her burning house, not directly through the flames" is a wild way to try to defend Israel lol
 
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NashVol11 said:
"The child is walking through her burning house, not directly through the flames" is a wild way to try to defend Israel lol
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It's necessary so the west can fulfill God's prophesy for Him. They think He needs their help and the kid's gotta go.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Anybody ready to become neutral yet? Still want to pick a side?

This guy was the spokesperson for all the families of hostages.

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The very ACT of taking hostages in the first place was a crime against humanity. There is NO DEFENSE at all for the act of taking civilians. But you blame Israel because they wouldn’t promise not to defend themselves in exchange for releasing said hostages? REALLY????
Did Hamas also offer to bring back to life all the civilians they in-a lived on October 7th? Including teenagers brutally slain for the crime of attending a music festival.
No I am NOT ready to be neutral. Evil must be opposed and monsters must be defeated. Quit trying to defend the indefensible!
 
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NashVol11 said:
"The child is walking through her burning house, not directly through the flames" is a wild way to try to defend Israel lol
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No one is more brazen or incompetent at generating fake civilian injuries than Hamas. This is yet another example. The kid could be 20 yards away from the fire. And I wouldn’t put it past Hamas to have put the child there themselves after the fact just to stir up outrage. These people are more demented than you could ever contemplate
 
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