USC - Notre Dame rivalry could be coming to an end.

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JL24 said:
Tradition means nothing anymore.

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Perhaps the Domers should actually join a conference. If they don't, I really don't see many schools even being able to entertain much of a thought of playing them. Much less on NDs own demands on when the game is actually played.

ACC really messed up in 2020 by throwing them a life preserver. Should have let them either join a conference or let them sit for the year Exchanging short term benefit for long term pain always works out well though.
 
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stolitonic said:
Perhaps the Domers should actually join a conference. If they don't, I really don't see many schools even being able to entertain much of a thought of playing them. Much less on NDs own demands on when the game is actually played.

ACC really messed up in 2020 by throwing them a life preserver. Should have let them either join a conference or let them sit for the year Exchanging short term benefit for long term pain always works out well though.
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Agreed. The ACC used the carrot the one year ND was in the conference. They should have used the stick. "Joins as a football member or we don't schedule you during COVID.".
 
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JL24 said:
Tradition means nothing anymore.

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Welcome to about 30-40 years ago. Tradition stopped being a thing when college football became big business.

Not to mention...meh....outside of those 2 schools I don't think this game meant as much anymore. If they wanted to make it work, they can. But I'm not going to shed any tears over it, especially when ND needs to s*** or get off the pot with the ACC. This we're "kinda a member" is crap imo.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Agreed. The ACC used the carrot the one year ND was in the conference. They should have used the stick. "Joins as a football member or we don't schedule you during COVID.".
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Yup. Anyone who believes that gesture by the ACC will ultimately lure ND to the conference has began their holiday weekend binge drinking a bit early.

The Domers will ultimately end up in the B10 due to the influence of their own fans and alumni. That's where they belong both from a historical but also the cultural viewpoints. Not gonna lie, NDs arrogance is a perfect fit for the rust belt B10 as well.

If the ACC had played hardball five years ago, this would have already been settled and put to bed. One way or another ND would have been in a conference and the stupid "exceptions" for the playoffs would not be needed

No way the Domers and their fans were not gonna play football for a year. The ACC simply allowed themselves to be used like a $2 hooker.
 
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stolitonic said:
Yup. Anyone who believes that gesture by the ACC will ultimately lure ND to the conference has began their holiday weekend binge drinking a bit early.

The Domers will ultimately end up in the B10 due to the influence of their own fans and alumni. That's where they belong both from a historical but also the cultural viewpoints. Not gonna lie, NDs arrogance is a perfect fit for the rust belt B10 as well.

If the ACC had played hardball five years ago, this would have already been settled and put to bed. One way or another ND would have been in a conference and the stupid "exceptions" for the playoffs would not be needed

No way the Domers and their fans were not gonna play football for a year. The ACC simply allowed themselves to be used like a $2 hooker.
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ND could do that for football, but their other sports except hockey are locked into the ACC until 2036 unless they pay a big buyout.
 
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stolitonic said:
Yup. Anyone who believes that gesture by the ACC will ultimately lure ND to the conference has began their holiday weekend binge drinking a bit early.

The Domers will ultimately end up in the B10 due to the influence of their own fans and alumni. That's where they belong both from a historical but also the cultural viewpoints. Not gonna lie, NDs arrogance is a perfect fit for the rust belt B10 as well.

If the ACC had played hardball five years ago, this would have already been settled and put to bed. One way or another ND would have been in a conference and the stupid "exceptions" for the playoffs would not be needed

No way the Domers and their fans were not gonna play football for a year. The ACC simply allowed themselves to be used like a $2 hooker.
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Or ND can find the situation that's best for themselves and we don't have to worry about it since it doesn't concern us.
 
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Stuff like this is what’s gonna end up killing my interest in the sport in the long term. The portal sucks, but it can be detached from and ignored fairly easily.

Realignment and the death of rivalries? That’s just killing the game itself. Why would I, or even USC fans themselves, care about USC playing the likes of Northwestern and Rutgers, while ducking the Irish in the meantime? It’s lame as hell. I hate it so much.

Even from a financial standpoint it’s not a good move. ND-USC brings in plenty of eyeballs. I assure you those same eyeballs won’t be watching USC play Purdue, or whoever USC plays in week 12 instead of the Irish.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
ND could do that for football, but their other sports except hockey are locked into the ACC until 2036 unless they pay a big buyout.
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While I know they had decent run in WBB a while back (I think?)-

Otherwise it's been a while since I remember seeing or hearing much about ND in other sports.

Sure having good basketball, baseball etc teams is awesome, but let's be realistic bere-

Would you trade winning one undisputed football NC next year for being absolute crap at every other sport except football for the next five years? No offense intended-but sign me up. If there's an option to renew the deal and win another football NC in year 6 for another 5 years of comedy at everything else-well I will take that also and keep going until I am planted in the ground. I am a single issue voter ha ha.

I suspect I am not alone in my thoughts.

To circle back to ND having their minor sports tied up until 2036-I honestly don't think they care very much.
 
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stolitonic said:
While I know they had decent run in WBB a while back (I think?)-

Otherwise it's been a while since I remember seeing or hearing much about ND in other sports.

Sure having good basketball, baseball etc teams is awesome, but let's be realistic bere-

Would you trade winning one undisputed football NC next year for being absolute crap at every other sport except football for the next five years? No offense intended-but sign me up. If there's an option to renew the deal and win another football NC in year 6 for another 5 years of comedy at everything else-well I will take that also and keep going until I am planted in the ground. I am a single issue voter ha ha.

I suspect I am not alone in my thoughts.

To circle back to ND having their minor sports tied up until 2036-I honestly don't think they care very much.
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The closest they have been in football were last year, and in 2020. They were in the ACC for football only in 2020. They lost the ACCCG to a pretty good Clemson team then.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
The closest they have been in football were last year, and in 2020. They were in the ACC for football only in 2020. They lost the ACCCG to a pretty good Clemson team then.
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Correct.

I am simply saying that for me-given the choice of having an elite football team consistently while essentially being the Washington Generals in all other sports is a decision I would make every time.

From both a financial and university prestige standpoint that is the way to go at this point in time.

While we laugh at Bama -I have to give them their flowers where needed. 20 years ago, the school was a joke and now it's not a half bad school really from an educational standpoint. (I am being honest here so keep the flames to minimum ha ha). That was built on the back of their FB program by leveraging that to attract a higher caliber of student. Duke did the same thing with Coach K and the BB program in the 80s. Granted, Duke was always a good school but it's basically an Ivy equivalent at this point

Florida rose up in academic rankings quickly in the late 90s with Spurriers success

When I was going through college admissions I was seriously considering ND. Honestly, one of the things that turned me off at the time was it was pretty easy to get in lol. Holtz had a good run in the 90s and ten years later I probably could not have gotten in period.

I think the Domers can survive with their women's lacrosse team being stuck in the ACC for a decade lol. Truth be told, if ND went to the B10 completely in foorball-you think the ACC would even want to deal with them for minor sports? Nope, they would reach a settlement/agreement and release them for a fee of $1 or something. No ND for football and their other sports become a financial liability for the ACC.
 
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stolitonic said:
Correct.

I am simply saying that for me-given the choice of having an elite football team consistently while essentially being the Washington Generals in all other sports is a decision I would make every time.

From both a financial and university prestige standpoint that is the way to go at this point in time.

While we laugh at Bama -I have to give them their flowers where needed. 20 years ago, the school was a joke and now it's not a half bad school really from an educational standpoint. (I am being honest here so keep the flames to minimum ha ha). That was built on the back of their FB program by leveraging that to attract a higher caliber of student. Duke did the same thing with Coach K and the BB program in the 80s. Granted, Duke was always a good school but it's basically an Ivy equivalent at this point

Florida rose up in academic rankings quickly in the late 90s with Spurriers success

When I was going through college admissions I was seriously considering ND. Honestly, one of the things that turned me off at the time was it was pretty easy to get in lol. Holtz had a good run in the 90s and ten years later I probably could not have gotten in period.

I think the Domers can survive with their women's lacrosse team being stuck in the ACC for a decade lol. Truth be told, if ND went to the B10 completely in foorball-you think the ACC would even want to deal with them for minor sports? Nope, they would reach a settlement/agreement and release them for a fee of $1 or something. No ND for football and their other sports become a financial liability for the ACC.
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I do think that, because ND brings a lot of ND viewers to their Olympic sports. That carries weight with the ACC's TV contract. The ACC isn't as rich as the SEC but they are worth more to the ACC than as an independent in non FB sports. The ACC is worth more to them because it expands their viewership footprint outside of the Midwest for sports other than football where they don't need it.

They are getting paid either way.
 
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stolitonic said:
Correct.

I am simply saying that for me-given the choice of having an elite football team consistently while essentially being the Washington Generals in all other sports is a decision I would make every time.

From both a financial and university prestige standpoint that is the way to go at this point in time.

While we laugh at Bama -I have to give them their flowers where needed. 20 years ago, the school was a joke and now it's not a half bad school really from an educational standpoint. (I am being honest here so keep the flames to minimum ha ha). That was built on the back of their FB program by leveraging that to attract a higher caliber of student. Duke did the same thing with Coach K and the BB program in the 80s. Granted, Duke was always a good school but it's basically an Ivy equivalent at this point

Florida rose up in academic rankings quickly in the late 90s with Spurriers success

When I was going through college admissions I was seriously considering ND. Honestly, one of the things that turned me off at the time was it was pretty easy to get in lol. Holtz had a good run in the 90s and ten years later I probably could not have gotten in period.

I think the Domers can survive with their women's lacrosse team being stuck in the ACC for a decade lol. Truth be told, if ND went to the B10 completely in foorball-you think the ACC would even want to deal with them for minor sports? Nope, they would reach a settlement/agreement and release them for a fee of $1 or something. No ND for football and their other sports become a financial liability for the ACC.
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bringing in more out of state students, and their tuition, gives the schools a lot more money to play around with vs them being the small local school.
 
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HeuperDrive said:
Stuff like this is what’s gonna end up killing my interest in the sport in the long term. The portal sucks, but it can be detached from and ignored fairly easily.

Realignment and the death of rivalries? That’s just killing the game itself. Why would I, or even USC fans themselves, care about USC playing the likes of Northwestern and Rutgers, while ducking the Irish in the meantime? It’s lame as hell. I hate it so much.

Even from a financial standpoint it’s not a good move. ND-USC brings in plenty of eyeballs. I assure you those same eyeballs won’t be watching USC play Purdue, or whoever USC plays in week 12 instead of the Irish.
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Lincoln Riley isn't concerned with what's good for CFB, he's trying to make the playoff and save his job. He sees Penn State and Indiana playing nobody but OSU all season and making the playoff off of a cupcake Big 10 schedule and a few auto win OOC games and asks "why am I risking a non-conference loss?".
 
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sami said:
Lincoln Riley isn't concerned with what's good for CFB, he's trying to make the playoff and save his job. He sees Penn State and Indiana playing nobody but OSU all season and making the playoff off of a cupcake Big 10 schedule and a few auto win OOC games and asks "why am I risking a non-conference loss?".
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I wonder if time goes on people are going to come to realize that crowning a national champion comes with costs/drawbacks that they no longer want to pay. For better or for worse, everybody was OK with various polls picking a national champion until the 1990s, and I think it wasn't until the 1960s or 1970s that the final polls came out after the bowls (and there were no conference title games, meaning that just the regular season mattered). There was no mechanism to match up #1 vs. #2 in a bowl game until 1998. It was more important to win your rivalry games and win your conference. There was even a term coined for the concept: Mythical national championship - Wikipedia

If winning rivalry games and your conference is the primary goal of a season, and not being crowned the #1 team in the country, then you're totally OK with an unbalanced schedule relative to some of your competitors, or scheduling a tough non-conference game that other teams in your conference don't have to play. If winning a national title is the primary goal, those can be drawbacks, especially in a 12 or 16-team playoff system. I like the CFP personally, but it isn't like there are any costs associated with it. If rivalry games continue to get blown up and conference titles diminish in importance, ultimately it is the fans who demanded a system that did those things whether they realized it or not.
 
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I wonder if time goes on people are going to come to realize that crowning a national champion comes with costs/drawbacks that they no longer want to pay. For better or for worse, everybody was OK with various polls picking a national champion until the 1990s, and I think it wasn't until the 1960s or 1970s that the final polls came out after the bowls (and there were no conference title games, meaning that just the regular season mattered). There was no mechanism to match up #1 vs. #2 in a bowl game until 1998. It was more important to win your rivalry games and win your conference. There was even a term coined for the concept: Mythical national championship - Wikipedia

If winning rivalry games and your conference is the primary goal of a season, and not being crowned the #1 team in the country, then you're totally OK with an unbalanced schedule relative to some of your competitors, or scheduling a tough non-conference game that other teams in your conference don't have to play. If winning a national title is the primary goal, those can be drawbacks, especially in a 12 or 16-team playoff system. I like the CFP personally, but it isn't like there are any costs associated with it. If rivalry games continue to get blown up and conference titles diminish in importance, ultimately it is the fans who demanded a system that did those things whether they realized it or not.
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Agree 100%. Many of the same fans who love the idea of every UT game being televised and like the expanded playoff and the amount of money UT can spend to build a roster, giving us a better shot at winning a national title, are the same people decrying the loss of rivalries and the 'super conferences', and the insane ticket prices, which were always going to be among the results of chasing the almighty dollar.

I've been very consistent in my belief that the original BCS and regional conferences were best for the sport, and I'll always feel that way. I far prefer traditional rivalries and conference championships really meaning something rather than the "playoff or bust" mentality that has consumed the game and will result in making CFB into the NFL Lite as soon as revenue sharing is approved.

But then, I'm admittedly a dinosaur who routinely yells at clouds.
 
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sami said:
Agree 100%. Many of the same fans who love the idea of every UT game being televised and like the expanded playoff and the amount of money UT can spend to build a roster, giving us a better shot at winning a national title, are the same people decrying the loss of rivalries and the 'super conferences', and the insane ticket prices, which were always going to be among the results of chasing the almighty dollar.

I've been very consistent in my belief that the original BCS and regional conferences were best for the sport, and I'll always feel that way. I far prefer traditional rivalries and conference championships really meaning something rather than the "playoff or bust" mentality that has consumed the game and will result in making CFB into the NFL Lite as soon as revenue sharing is approved.

But then, I'm admittedly a dinosaur who routinely yells at clouds.
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Yep. There is a lot of wanting to have your cake and eat it too. Folks want a very meaningful regular season, where just a single loss can ruin your chances at winning a title, while at the same time having a 12 or 16-team playoff. They want regular seasons filled with very competitive games, including big non-conference matchups, but also want a 12 or 16-team playoff, which reduces the incentive for teams to schedule those types of games.

By definition, if you have a playoff system with more than 2 teams in it, then you reduce the importance of the regular season to some degree. Actually a better way of saying it is that it decreases the importance of the regular season to teams who are firmly in the playoff as the season goes on, and increases the importance of the regular season for teams near or on the bubble. That seems like such an obvious point to me, but I think many people fail to see it. In my experience, the "we need a playoff crowd" has a lot of overlap with the "we need to preserve rivalry games and traditional conferences" crowd, and basically everybody who likes the sport is in the "I want every game broadcast in high definition on any device" crowd. As time goes on I think people are going to see that those things are ultimately in conflict with one another.
 
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stolitonic said:
Correct.

I am simply saying that for me-given the choice of having an elite football team consistently while essentially being the Washington Generals in all other sports is a decision I would make every time.

From both a financial and university prestige standpoint that is the way to go at this point in time.

While we laugh at Bama -I have to give them their flowers where needed. 20 years ago, the school was a joke and now it's not a half bad school really from an educational standpoint. (I am being honest here so keep the flames to minimum ha ha). That was built on the back of their FB program by leveraging that to attract a higher caliber of student. Duke did the same thing with Coach K and the BB program in the 80s. Granted, Duke was always a good school but it's basically an Ivy equivalent at this point

Florida rose up in academic rankings quickly in the late 90s with Spurriers success

When I was going through college admissions I was seriously considering ND. Honestly, one of the things that turned me off at the time was it was pretty easy to get in lol. Holtz had a good run in the 90s and ten years later I probably could not have gotten in period.

I think the Domers can survive with their women's lacrosse team being stuck in the ACC for a decade lol. Truth be told, if ND went to the B10 completely in foorball-you think the ACC would even want to deal with them for minor sports? Nope, they would reach a settlement/agreement and release them for a fee of $1 or something. No ND for football and their other sports become a financial liability for the ACC.
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The statement that Saban and football success enhanced their academic standing is a myth. They have the 4th lowest academic ranking in the SEC behind those great bastions of academic excellence LSU, Arkansas and MSU and tied with Ole Miss.

In fact not only are they rated way behind Auburn in the National Rankings in-state they are third behind UAB. Is there any other Flagship Campus in the country that is rated third highest in their own state.

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