That's racist!

[LouderVol]

The US Census Bureau also said this guy was white:



Egyptian Immigrant Wants to be Reclassified as Black | TIME.com


So you can't really take the US Census Bureau racial classification as gospel. It's political. People in North Africa are categorized as white for political reasons. Not because it's actually a region filled with white people or was historically white. It's a region filled with mixed people of black and white ancestry that historically was far blacker than it is today.

the left has figured out how to weaponize that too.

They can walk into a neighborhood, show on the census that everyone is "white", get federal money, or some preferential ruling, to "promote diversity", and then do whatever the heck they want. Clarkston GA did this to kick out a bunch of "white", but not European, immigrants, so they could move in a bunch of not-white immigrants and get millions of dollars from the feds to pay for various things.

at various points its even been used as a form of imminent domain to get various projects done while ignoring local concerns.

 

[ETV]

I don't.

I feel shame, but not personally and definitely not personal guilt. Others are the ones labeling it guilt.

I take pride in American accomplishments and feel shame about our bad behavior. People think the shame part is weird but are fine feeling the pride part, lol. They are the weird ones. It's the same thing to feel pride or shame for the past. You didn't do it but you care about it.

If you don't feel the shame, then do you even care?

Some regret for the way society was at that time, but there's nothing I can do to change what's in the past. Besides, my mother's side of the family were dirt poor farmers, so slave ownership for them was out of the question.

People should be treated with respect, kindness and simple courtesy goes a long way.

 

[LouderVol]

It may be a supposition but wouldn't you say it's a logical supposition? I mean why else would the Bible like Egypt with Nubia? Why not link the Egyptians and the Jews? Or how about the Greeks or Persians? Why link them with the most obviously black group mentioned in the Bible? What reason other than phenotypic affinity would be logical for grouping the Ancient Egyptians with the Nubians in terms of genetic lineage?

I told you already. it could simply be those "brothers" lived in those regions amongst the native populations, and not directly saying the "brothers" are responsible for the natives. The semites have always had diaspora, explaining how they ended in up in various regions and not just Israel would be something to explain in the allegorical history of their people.

It could be the Nubians had conquered the native egyptians at the time, and they are just referring to the rulers, and not necessarily the hoi polloi.

it could be an easy way for people reading it to get a general understanding of a region without a reliable map. its not like they could pop in a car and drive to these regions to know this people is next to these people, and they certainly didn't have GPS to provide exact directions/borders/relationships. like most americans not knowing where cambodia is, so someone just says "they are near China" just so the uneducated person can understand "oh its in this general area".

it could even be some dumb "we are all one people kumbaya" message without meaning they are actually blood/DNA related.

those are just the top 4 that came from the top of my head. I am sure there are plenty of other reasons.

 

[LouderVol]

I didn't say I suffer from white guilt. I said others put that label on me. They're applying the label, which is a misnomer, to others because mocking the shame that they should be feeling (if they are the type who takes pride in the past) is easier than confronting it.

granted there are racists out there who do want to put black people in chains and hate anyone with a different skin tone. but for the majority I doubt there is a missing need to "confront" it. pretty much everyone acknowledges it happened, and it was bad. I doubt there are many who even argue it wasn't the worst, or at the least one of the worst, things in our country's history. that "confrontation" has happened.

what is largely called for now by the left for that confrontation has gone from ridiculous, to silly, to downright confusing. which is why there is a lot of push back.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

the left has figured out how to weaponize that too.

They can walk into a neighborhood, show on the census that everyone is "white", get federal money, or some preferential ruling, to "promote diversity", and then do whatever the heck they want. Clarkston GA did this to kick out a bunch of "white", but not European, immigrants, so they could move in a bunch of not-white immigrants and get millions of dollars from the feds to pay for various things.

at various points its even been used as a form of imminent domain to get various projects done while ignoring local concerns.

And this relevant how? We're talking about the US Census Bureau's logic in classifying clearly black looking North Africans as white. What do people trying to scam the government have to do with the legitimacy of the government's logic in how it classifies races?

This is a classic misdirection technique. Totally ignore the subject being argued and bring up a totally unrelated point to argue against.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I told you already. it could simply be those "brothers" lived in those regions amongst the native populations, and not directly saying the "brothers" are responsible for the natives.

Now I get why this point didn't make sense to you. You thought that there were other people still on earth outside of Noah and his family. And that after the flood they settled among these people. We'll that's not how the biblical story goes. The Bible says all humans perished outside of the people Noah saved on that ship.

Its why religious scholars say we're all descendants of Noah moreso than Adam. I'm not trying to argue the flood actually happened and one guy's family repopulated the entire planet. What I'm arguing about is the mindset of the people who wrote the Bible when it came to the perception of different nations back then.

If the entirety of the human race was repopulated by Noah and his sons then why would the Bible group the Ancient Egyptians with the Nubians unless they looked similar? The other groups they linked together seem to look alike. For example, Arabs and Jews look similar and are both categorized as sons of Shem. Persians and Greeks also look similar and both were considered sons of Japeth. Why would the Bible say Nubia and Egypt are siblings if they didn't look as similar to each other as those other nations did to one another?

 

[n_huffhines]

Some regret for the way society was at that time, but there's nothing I can do to change what's in the past. Besides, my mother's side of the family were dirt poor farmers, so slave ownership for them was out of the question.

People should be treated with respect, kindness and simple courtesy goes along way.

So not you? LOL

My family didn't do anything as far as I know, but I'm talking about America, not my family or what my family did. Of course nobody can change anything that happened in the past. The point is if you only feel pride in America and don't feel shame, then you suffer from cognitive dissonance.

 

[n_huffhines]

granted there are racists out there who do want to put black people in chains and hate anyone with a different skin tone. but for the majority I doubt there is a missing need to "confront" it. pretty much everyone acknowledges it happened, and it was bad. I doubt there are many who even argue it wasn't the worst, or at the least one of the worst, things in our country's history. that "confrontation" has happened.

what is largely called for now by the left for that confrontation has gone from ridiculous, to silly, to downright confusing. which is why there is a lot of push back.

Bro, you are lying to yourself if you think people don't wanna confront the past. Merely admitting that slavery is wrong doesn't mean people are comfortable confronting the past. In fact, that's often used as a tactic so the confrontation can be skipped.

We literally have a presidential admin that whitewashed Jackie Robinson's story because they don't want to confront our past, and this is specifically the kind of thing that helped Trump rise to power.

 

[Ritzwatch]

Now I get why this point didn't make sense to you. You thought that there were other people still on earth outside of Noah and his family. And that after the flood they settled among these people. We'll that's not how the biblical story goes. The Bible says all humans perished outside of the people Noah saved on that ship.

Its why religious scholars say we're all descendants of Noah moreso than Adam. I'm not trying to argue the flood actually happened and one guy's family repopulated the entire planet. What I'm arguing about is the mindset of the people who wrote the Bible when it came to the perception of different nations back then.

If the entirety of the human race was repopulated by Noah and his sons then why would the Bible group the Ancient Egyptians with the Nubians unless they looked similar? The other groups they linked together seem to look alike. For example, Arabs and Jews look similar and are both categorized as sons of Shem. Persians and Greeks also look similar and both were considered sons of Japeth. Why would the Bible say Nubia and Egypt are siblings if they didn't look as similar to each other as those other nations did to one another?

Go back one more generation. What was the mindset of those who wrote the Bible when they say the fathers of the Egyptian/Nubians - Arabs/Jews - Persians/Greeks all looked so different from each other that they could not have looked like their own father, Noah? Does it skip a generation?

 

[LouderVol]

And this relevant how? We're talking about the US Census Bureau's logic in classifying clearly black looking North Africans as white. What do people trying to scam the government have to do with the legitimacy of the government's logic in how it classifies races?

This is a classic misdirection technique. Totally ignore the subject being argued and bring up a totally unrelated point to argue against.

lol dude, calm down and read. I was agreeing with your stance that the Census Bureau classifications are dumb. I had posted about it before you did.

 

[ETV]

So not you? LOL

My family didn't do anything as far as I know, but I'm talking about America, not my family or what my family did. Of course nobody can change anything that happened in the past. The point is if you only feel pride in America and don't feel shame, then you suffer from cognitive dissonance.

I certainly take pride in this nation and it's accomplishments. I don't feel shame for those dark moments in our nations history, but I learn from it. That's what we're supposed to do. Instead, some (including yourself) still hold on to the past as if it's too traumatic to move on from and this nation and it's citizens must be reminded of it on a daily basis.

 

[ETV]

Because Black people have been singled out by others and treated differently throughout this nation's history, so it is intentionally specific to them. This weird rebrand was just a white lady being racist on TikTok and it's embarrassing that you're on here arguing for it

So have Asian Americans (internment camps, westward expansion, etc.) Native Americans and so on. Have they been singled out any less than or treated less fairly compared to Black Americans?

 

[tbh]

I certainly take pride in this nation and it's accomplishments. I don't feel shame for those dark moments in our nations history, but I learn from it. That's what we're supposed to do. Instead, some (including yourself) still hold on to the past as if it's too traumatic to move on from and this nation and it's citizens must be reminded of it on a daily basis.

Learning about history, and learning from it, is a good thing. I never did understand the desire of some to encourage figurative self-flagellation over things that happened well before anyone alive today was born. It solves nothing, aside from serving to line the pockets of those who'd profit from the societal self-flagellation.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Go back one more generation. What was the mindset of those who wrote the Bible when they say the fathers of the Egyptian/Nubians - Arabs/Jews - Persians/Greeks all looked so different from each other that they could not have looked like their own father, Noah? Does it skip a generation?

We're not descendants of those pre-flood people. Every lineage outside of Noah and his sons and their wives perished. So how the people before the flood looked is irrelevant. Neither is how Noah or his sons looked. Even if they all looked the same, all the diversity in modern humans would still have to come from them.

The key question is why group the Egyptians with the Nubians unless they looked the same? And by the way this point was obvious to all later scholars who pretty much agreed that the Egyptians and Nubians were both black and that the descendants of Ham were defined by this black phenotype. It's why the "Curse of Ham" was ultimately used by racists in later generations to validate the enslavement of black people.

 

[n_huffhines]

I certainly take pride in this nation and it's accomplishments. I don't feel shame for those dark moments in our nations history, but I learn from it. That's what we're supposed to do. Instead, some (including yourself) still hold on to the past as if it's too traumatic to move on from and this nation and it's citizens must be reminded of it on a daily basis.

Says who? Lol

I'm not traumatized by it. I just regret that we did it. You apparently can't bring yourself to say that because that would be "holding onto the past."

 

[C-south]

So have Asian Americans (internment camps, westward expansion, etc.) Native Americans and so on. Have they been singled out any less than or treated less fairly compared to Black Americans?

Don’t try and interrupt his victimhood, it’s all he knows.

 

[NashVol11]

So have Asian Americans (internment camps, westward expansion, etc.) Native Americans and so on. Have they been singled out any less than or treated less fairly compared to Black Americans?

Don’t try and interrupt his victimhood, it’s all he knows.

I think it is hilarious that neither one of you is aware of a difference in treatment in our history between Black people and "Asian Americans," but it is not surprising that you are the only two people arguing on behalf of "black fatigue"

 

[n_huffhines]

So have Asian Americans (internment camps, westward expansion, etc.) Native Americans and so on. Have they been singled out any less than or treated less fairly compared to Black Americans?

What is even your point?

Asian Americans, who by and large voluntarily decided that they wanted to be immigrants and face all that are a completely different sampling of people than those who were captured and brought to a new continent and sold into slavery, or were born into slavery, or came from it. It sucks that they've faced internment, and exploitative labor, but that is nothing in comparison to generations of slavery.

In American history, by far, blacks and Native Americans are the most ****ed. It's not even close. Who is on the bottom in America today? Asian Americans? Italian Americans? Irish Americans? German Americans? Indian Americans? Black Americans? Native Americans? You notice any coincidences?

 

[C-south]

What is even your point?

Asian Americans, who by and large voluntarily decided that they wanted to be immigrants and face all that are a completely different sampling of people than those who were captured and brought to a new continent and sold into slavery, or were born into slavery, or came from it. It sucks that they've faced internment, but that is nothing in comparison to generations of slavery.

In American history, by far, blacks and Native Americans are the most ****ed. It's not even close. Who is on the bottom in America today? Asian Americans? Italian Americans? Irish Americans? German Americans? Indian Americans? Black Americans? Native Americans? You notice any coincidences?

You mean the ones captured and sold by their own people?

 

[ETV]

I think it is hilarious that neither one of you is aware of a difference in treatment in our history between Black people and "Asian Americans," but it is not surprising that you are the only two people arguing on behalf of "black fatigue"

Then take this opportunity to enlighten us with the differences.

 

[ETV]

I think it is hilarious that neither one of you is aware of a difference in treatment in our history between Black people and "Asian Americans," but it is not surprising that you are the only two people arguing on behalf of "black fatigue"

I disagree with your position on black fatigue and now I'm suddenly one of those people, that's what you're implying.

SMH. I'm not surprised you pulled that card.

 

[ETV]

Says who? Lol

I'm not traumatized by it. I just regret that we did it. You apparently can't bring yourself to say that because that would be "holding onto the past."

Are you being serious? You'd rather this nation and society, continue making the same mistakes from the past and not learn from them?

 

[tbh]

Says who? Lol

I'm not traumatized by it. I just regret that we did it. You apparently can't bring yourself to say that because that would be "holding onto the past."

You have a time machine?

 

[n_huffhines]

Are you being serious? You'd rather this nation and society, continue making the same mistakes from the past and not learn from them?

Of course I'm talking about the part of the sentence where you were talking about shame...

 

[n_huffhines]

You have a time machine?

I say we for the Vols, too, bro. It's my team