Trump's performance to date........

[NEO]

All I know is the majority of Gantt charts were running way over schedule prior to Trump and now nearly 90 percent in the south/midwest are running ahead of schedule. That includes the 20 million plus TIV projects that really push the economy.

Personally, I give him an A.

 

[NorthDallas40]

That's pretty much how the last two Presidents have been elected

I’d say there are cases back farther than that. Also that still doesn’t mean it’s a logical take nor and indication of a functioning voting system.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I’d say there are cases back farther than that. Also that still doesn’t mean it’s a logical take nor and indication of a functioning voting system.

You're absolutely right there, IMO. Not the intentions of the system

 

[NorthDallas40]

You're absolutely right there, IMO. Not the intentions of the system

I want a None of the Above option. If we have to put up with these two party hacks force them to go find a damn suitable candidate.

 

[hndog609]

Sure it is logical. Been tempted to vote third party many times. But pragmatically I can’t justify it. A person‘s conscience may feel clean after voting third party; but that will not save them from the consequences of the worse candidate winning. So I can vote for someone with zero chance of winning and feel good about myself while the world burns. Or I can hold my nose and vote for the lesser of to evils and at least have a chance to help direct the ship of state.
But I will not fault anyone for making that choice.

I think what grinds everyone's gears with this (and should) is that's just having you inside the event horizon of a political black hole with no escape*. As long as there's a sort of homeostasis of awful between the two choices it's essentially impossible to ever get anything but awful and play tug of war with "well my awful is less awful than your awful" game. There's no real winning.

*Honestly I'm genuinely unsure if there's an off ramp to this that isn't built on stacked bodies. Maybe some AI/tech advancements change the social environment to the point of real change but I just have a really hard time not being stuck in the "glass mostly empty" POV on that happening.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I want a None of the Above option. If we have to put up with these two party hacks force them to go find a damn suitable candidate.

Never thought of it, but that's a great idea! I've abstained from voting in the last 3 general elections for President. I voted in the primaries though

 

[NorthDallas40]

Never thought of it, but that's a great idea! I've abstained from voting in the last 3 general elections for President. I voted in the primaries though

The sheer massive unrest and forced scrambling of the political hacks would be glorious.

 

[Vol423]

I want a None of the Above option. If we have to put up with these two party hacks force them to go find a damn suitable candidate.

You're looking for the old Brewster's Millions option.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You're looking for the old Brewster's Millions option.

Yes! Force the bastards to scream thru a crazy amount of money in a short period of time with a ridiculous amount of rules! Karma in action for continually putting up lousy candidates.

 

[NEO]

Never thought of it, but that's a great idea! I've abstained from voting in the last 3 general elections for President. I voted in the primaries though

Voting in the primaries is no different than voting in the GE. Still supporting two parties. You wanna tear the two party system down it starts with the primaries.

I want a 5 party system that is made of left, extreme left, right, extreme right, independent. Each party elects their person and these 5 debate each other at the end and the country picks from these five.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Voting in the primaries is no different than voting in the GE. Still supporting two parties. You wanna tear the two party system down it starts with the primaries.

I want a 5 party system that is made of left, extreme left, right, extreme right, independent. Each party elects their person and these 5 debate each other at the end and the country picks from these five.

That's a great idea too!

 

[OrangeTsar]

I think what grinds everyone's gears with this (and should) is that's just having you inside the event horizon of a political black hole with no escape*. As long as there's a sort of homeostasis of awful between the two choices it's essentially impossible to ever get anything but awful and play tug of war with "well my awful is less awful than your awful" game. There's no real winning.

*Honestly I'm genuinely unsure if there's an off ramp to this that isn't built on stacked bodies. Maybe some AI/tech advancements change the social environment to the point of real change but I just have a really hard time not being stuck in the "glass mostly empty" POV on that happening.

The only „off ramp“ I fear would be an individual from neither party but possessed of incredible charisma, enough to overcome the historical inertia. Unfortunately a person with that much sway and magnetism would also be able to muster enough public support to truly become a demagogue. That person would be a modern Caesar and would be dangerous beyond imagination.
Just speculating; but I think we will have a third party president sometime in our lifetime; but just as with Caesar, it will be the end of our Republic

 

[NorthDallas40]

The only „off ramp“ I fear would be an individual from neither party but possessed of incredible charisma, enough to overcome the historical inertia. Unfortunately a person with that much sway and magnetism would also be able to muster enough public support to truly become a demagogue. That person would be a modern Caesar and would be dangerous beyond imagination.
Just speculating; but I think we will have a third party president sometime in our lifetime; but just as with Caesar, it will be the end of our Republic

Ok is this just so blatantly teed up just to see how many replies you can get?

 

[Orangeslice13]

I want a None of the Above option. If we have to put up with these two party hacks force them to go find a damn suitable candidate.

I’m all over this

 

[dalton_vol]

Never thought of it, but that's a great idea! I've abstained from voting in the last 3 general elections for President. I voted in the primaries though

I don't put my hope in the gopvor dim party. The gop majority isnt much different in terms of spending, they have a good mandate to really cut spending but they won't.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I don't put my hope in the gopvor dim party. The gop majority isnt much different in terms of spending, they have a good mandate to really cut spending but they won't.

Much different? Check the stats over the last 40 years. Bless your heart

 

[dalton_vol]

Much different? Check the stats over the last 40 years. Bless your heart

Well there is some differences. The dems like pedophilia, higher taxes and love murdering unborn babies not to mention love defending murderers

 

[volfanhill]

Nm

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Well there is some differences. The dems like pedophilia, higher taxes and love murdering unborn babies not to mention love defending murderers

I thought you were talking about "spending".

Should have known better. That's on me

 

[dalton_vol]

I thought you were talking about "spending".

Should have known better. That's on me

Well yes, you said they were decades apart. I'm talking more recently in the past 16 to 20 years, its sad how bad the gop is.

 

[Vol423]

The only „off ramp“ I fear would be an individual from neither party but possessed of incredible charisma, enough to overcome the historical inertia. Unfortunately a person with that much sway and magnetism would also be able to muster enough public support to truly become a demagogue. That person would be a modern Caesar and would be dangerous beyond imagination.
Just speculating; but I think we will have a third party president sometime in our lifetime; but just as with Caesar, it will be the end of our Republic

Don't know your age, but no 3rd party candidate is going to win the US presidency in my lifetime.

 

[volfanhill]

Don't know your age, but no 3rd party candidate is going to win the US presidency in my lifetime.

Bc the electorate are as partisan as the hacks we biatch about. Hence why the majority hate congress but the incumbents win reelection

 

[Vol423]

Bc the electorate are as partisan as the hacks we biatch about. Hence why the majority hate congress but the incumbents win reelection

I'd happily agree to oust every single sitting member of Congress and start from scratch. I think that may be the only way to have any chance of fixing Congress. I doubt even that would do it.

Unfortunately, we don't live in Fantasyland.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Much different? Check the stats over the last 40 years. Bless your heart

The Democrats have disowned Clinton. He’s the outlier of both parties. Without him in the mix there’s no real difference in the parties on spending. One gives lip service to fiscal responsibility and the other doesn’t. But they ultimately both spend like there’s no tomorrow.

 

[Devo182]

Hard to answer.

I expected some manic actions. Not this level of fast push toward authoritarianism though.

Certainly scary either way for all folks against centralized power, the erosion of checks and balances, and avoidance of foreign issues...his alliances are even scarier.