President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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utvolpj said:
I'm fine with none but they're evil people with oil. Getting in business with them is nothing to celebrate. This isn't surprising from Trump given his covering for SA during his first term
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We ought not limit our dealings to choirboys. Afterall Trump is no choirboy himself
 
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Sea Ray said:
We ought not limit our dealings to choirboys. Afterall Trump is no choirboy himself
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Why do you all keep using flowery words like utopia and choir boys as if these people stole a pack of gum? They've spent the past decade bombing and starving hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children to death (with US help). That sounds like a good friend we should praise?
 
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utvolpj said:
Why do you all keep using flowery words like utopia and choir boys as if these people stole a pack of gum? They've spent the past decade bombing and starving hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children to death (with US help). That sounds like a good friend we should praise?
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I'm not praising them but it does behoove us to keep good relations with them. They have influence in OPEC and in the ME. We need their assistance in case Iran needs to be dealt with. We also need to see to it that their oil fields are safe from attack. An attack on their oil would drive up energy costs potentially to a crisis level
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Did you read your own link? Also that is from Feb I think there is a newer version from Rasmussen that can at least cover the MoE spread and provide a definitive result from their data set
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But if inflation keeps dropping, groceries keep getting cheaper, the market keeps climbing, and we get favorable trade deals, do you really think there will be any doubt about how people view the direction of the country. Let’s face it, the only way the democrats ever get back in power is if the economy crashes. The signs are pointing the opposite direction right now.
 
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Sea Ray said:
I'm not praising them but it does behoove us to keep good relations with them. They have influence in OPEC and in the ME. We need their assistance in case Iran needs to be dealt with. We also need to see to it that their oil fields are safe from attack. An attack on their oil would drive up energy costs potentially to a crisis level
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Holy **** do you actually believe all that? Iran needs to be dealt with? Protect the Saudi oil fields? Nonsense
 
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utvolpj said:
You can't call Iran terrorists yet defend SA unless you don't know what the word means. That becomes a whole lot easier once we realize Israel is not an ally. Until then the foreign policy follies will continue
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Of course they are an ally being the only democracy in the region. Israel allows the US to have influence is this important region of the world without having to have troops on the ground like in Afghanistan/Iraq. Their military, supported by the US, is in alignment with our interests in the region. They also have intelligence capabilities that can be used and shared against our common enemy, Iran.
 
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utvolpj said:
Why do you all keep using flowery words like utopia and choir boys as if these people stole a pack of gum? They've spent the past decade bombing and starving hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children to death (with US help). That sounds like a good friend we should praise?
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We use it because that is where your thoughts are coming from or off a white board where theory can be beautifully applied. The world has aggressors everywhere and to ignore our interests as a country because the aggressors are real is crazy.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Sorry, but this is one area that I believe we need protection by either a government or reputable/certified private agencies. The consequences of ineffective, illicit, contaminated, or less potent medications could be damaging or fatal, and some might not be known for an extended amount of time.
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You can be apologetic. No worries. But have you looked into the idea. There are other countries (several) which allow pharm purchases outside their sovereignty. What are the consequences of those populations? How does it compare with what we currently do? Is the cost benefit worth it? These are tough questions because they potentially destroy the beliefs we've told ourselves about "why they way we do it is necessary".

At the end of the day, we cannot have both lower prices AND a limited government-protected distribution.
 
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CobbVol said:
Of course they are an ally being the only democracy in the region. Israel allows the US to have influence is this important region of the world without having to have troops on the ground like in Afghanistan/Iraq. Their military, supported by the US, is in alignment with our interests in the region. They also have intelligence capabilities that can be used and shared against our common enemy, Iran.
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They wanted us fighting in Iraq, Syria, libya, etc. They want us fighting in Iran (which Trump thankfully said no to this time). How is that in any way aligned with our interests?
 
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CobbVol said:
We use it because that is where your thoughts are coming from or off a white board where theory can be beautifully applied. The world has aggressors everywhere and to ignore our interests as a country because the aggressors are real is crazy.
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No, I feel strongly that countries who slaughter hundreds of thousands of innocent people (those are facts, not theory)are not friends and should not be effusively praised by a US president. They are evil and should be treated as such. They have done worse things than Iran who is repeatedly called an enemy here
 
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utvolpj said:
They wanted us fighting in Iraq, Syria, libya, etc. They want us fighting in Iran (which Trump thankfully said no to this time). How is that in any way aligned with our interests?
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They wanted to strike Iran's nuclear targets and Trump worked with them to not do so.

Oil coming from this region to the US and other countries is in our national interest and until a warp drive or dilithium crystals can be developed that is going to be the case, like it or not.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
But if inflation keeps dropping, groceries keep getting cheaper, the market keeps climbing, and we get favorable trade deals, do you really think there will be any doubt about how people view the direction of the country. Let’s face it, the only way the democrats ever get back in power is if the economy crashes. The signs are pointing the opposite direction right now.
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A simple “no I didn’t read my own link” would have sufficed. Your link referenced the attitude of the people on the direction of the country. The actual data didn’t line up very well with the headline. And your own discussion on the link seems to be you don’t agree with it either. And actually if you look at our back and forth you’d have seen I already gave you an out. I think a more current poll showed improvement in the numbers. BUT that isn’t the link you posted. And I guess that’s because sentiment likely lags economic data. Just a guess on my part.

The only reason we’re having this whole exchange is you posted a link that didn’t support your argument. And that gets called out quite often here.
 
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CobbVol said:
They wanted to strike Iran's nuclear targets and Trump worked with them to not do so.

Oil coming from this region to the US and other countries is in our national interest and until a warp drive or dilithium crystals can be developed that is going to be the case, like it or not.
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You keep switching topics. How is it in our interests to keep fighting these wars for Israel? The ones I posted have cost us dearly
 
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utvolpj said:
No, I feel strongly that countries who slaughter hundreds of thousands of innocent people (those are facts, not theory)are not friends and should not be effusively praised by a US president. They are evil and should be treated as such. They have done worse things than Iran who is repeatedly called an enemy here
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And our hands are completely clean. The hypocrisy is palpable.
 
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utvolpj said:
You keep switching topics. How is it in our interests to keep fighting these wars for Israel? The ones I posted have cost us dearly
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No, you are the one that can't understand that oil coming from this region is in our national interest and sending our coexist stickers will not work.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I believe most of our meds are manufactured overseas. I do know that India manufactures a **** load. My question has always been; why do we pay so much more here when it was OUR science that created most of it to begin with?
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Correct. India manufactures about 50%. They ship all over the world and not just to america. if same manufacturer, what does it matter if the shipment went to Maine or Madagascar?
 
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EasternVol said:
Medicine and food aren't like everything else we purchase though. It's difficult to poison oneself with an adulterated or counterfeit shirt or piece of furniture or even a wheel.
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Are you suggesting wheels for cars are less risky when manufactured in a substandard way?
 
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CobbVol said:
No, you are the one that can't understand that oil coming from this region is in our national interest and sending our coexist stickers will not work.
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I was taking about Israel and you changed to oil then claim I don't understand? How is Israel involved in keeping oil fields safe?
 
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