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Orangeslice13 said:
Benadryl is an H1 that is a base for hundreds of off label writing. It’s used 400 times more now than it was 30 years ago. Economy os scale drives Benadryl.
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Costco Generic Claritin (24 hr) is less than 3 cents a pill.

A 365 pill bottle cost less than my monthly co-pay did 15 yrs ago.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
What? It will happen. At least for the last 4 or 5 decades, adequate generics have been effectively marketed to patients
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pharmas have a right to patents as all other companies to protect their product whereby make a profit off of it.

my point is if pharmas are not granted some protections and subsidized by gov't then new cures maybe slow in coming or never be found for cancer, diabetes etc.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
The store brmd of Zrytec or Claritin is a whole hell of a lot cheaper than when it was a Rx..
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The store brand is at the cost of the original brand price. The name brand is more expensive than it was and the cheaper price is an illusion created by dosing.

There’s actually a class action lawsuit being filed against several pharmacy Corporation because of these games
 
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jmacvols1 said:
pharmas have a right to patents as all other companies to protect their product whereby make profit off of it.

my point is if pharmas are not granted some protections and subsidized by gov't then new cures may never be found for cancer, diabetes etc.
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Cutting off research $$$$$ is of far more concern
 
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jmacvols1 said:
I'm not familiar with pharma business, so I assume they have big r&d cost even bigger cost without subsidies. They have to have prices to cover cost and r&d. if they do not make enough profit there may be a great slowdown in new R&D for new drugs,
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You seem to have confused me for someone who cares about big pharma corps and their ledger. Maybe we don't need all these new drugs that do nothing but maintain the level of sickness in the country. They are not in the business to help people
 
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utvolpj said:
You seem to have confused me for someone who cares about big pharma corps and their ledger. Maybe we don't need all these new drugs that do nothing but maintain the level of sickness in the country. They are not in the business to help people
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so people should do without medications and die a natural death even at young ages?
 
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Let pharma companies (and all other companies btw) expense R&D costs when incurred, especially with how broad TCJA defined "R&D" Dont make them wait 15 years to do so.

Pfizer, for example, had 30 billion of R&D expenses they could not deduct last year on their tax return. A lot of this "R&D" was for stuff like utilities and property tax for a facility that does R&D...
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Costco Generic Claritin (24 hr) is less than 3 cents a pill.

A 365 pill bottle cost less than my monthly co-pay did 15 yrs ago.
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No it doesn’t.
The cost is up.
The gleaning of insurance companies by pharmacies may be over and the artificially inflated prices may be gone but the price charged by the pharmaceutical companies has gone up.

And the additional kicker to all this….the Hemocyte plus I referenced earlier was manufactured by US pharmaceutical corporation. Can you guess who is the biggest manufacturer of the 2 biggest selling generics for Hemocyte plus?

Us pharmaceutical corporation (I **** you not)
 
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utvolpj said:
You seem to have confused me for someone who cares about big pharma corps and their ledger. Maybe we don't need all these new drugs that do nothing but maintain the level of sickness in the country. They are not in the business to help people
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You need to be specific here on this one. Which drugs are you speaking of? I know for an absolute fact the development of heart drugs have extended lives
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
No it doesn’t.
The cost is up.
The gleaning of insurance companies by pharmacies may be over and the artificially inflated prices may be gone but the price charged by the pharmaceutical companies has gone up.

And the additional kicker to all this….the Hemocyte plus I referenced earlier was manufactured by US pharmaceutical corporation. Can you guess who is the biggest manufacturer of the 2 biggest selling generics for Hemocyte plus?

Us pharmaceutical corporation (I **** you not)
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All I know is now I paid 9.99 for 365 pills when I used to have to pay $10 copay for 30...
 
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utvolpj said:
Or they could actually care about their health. Big pharma is not in the business of fixing anything they just want to bleed you longer
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I won't take the time to look it up the exact stats but decades ago a child at St Jude's had a very low chance of survival but pharma has made great strides where children today can effectively be cured of a cancer that decades ago was a death sentence.

maybe doctors are to blame in over-prescribing meds to keep patients making office visits over and over.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
All I know is now I paid 9.99 for 365 pills when I used to have to pay $10 copay for 30...
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Again that’s not an accurate comparison. You’re comparing apples to basketballs.

Now if you want to eliminate insurance coverage for all pharmaceutical products and let the market decide I’m all for that. There were several of Reds meds that the cash price was less than the copay. Another way the pharmacy screws the patient.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
I won't take the time to look it up the exact stats but decades ago a child at St Jude's had a very low chance of survival but pharma has made great strides where children today can effectively be cured of a cancer that decades ago was a death sentence.

maybe doctors are to blame in over-prescribing meds to keep patients making office visits over and over.
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You're nitpicking. I believe it was 70% of all pharma profits come from the usa and we have lower health outcomes. How could that be? It's because there is no desire to help people by pharma or many in the medical industry
 
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utvolpj said:
You're nitpicking. I believe it was 70% of all pharma profits come from the usa and we have lower health outcomes. How could that be? It's because there is no desire to help people by pharma or many in the medical industry
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And the side effects……

“If your taint explodes seek immediate medical attention “
 
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utvolpj said:
You're nitpicking. I believe it was 70% of all pharma profits come from the usa and we have lower health outcomes. How could that be? It's because there is no desire to help people by pharma or many in the medical industry
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if I understand you correctly, you are saying pharmas are staying in business by developing drugs that are not really needed but are used to just bleed people? no one is forced to buy/take meds. if a doc says you have an illness and need to take med x for it, then you can;
1 take the med
2 not take the med and remain sick or die

you have options, pharma forces nothing upon you.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
You need to be specific here on this one. Which drugs are you speaking of? I know for an absolute fact the development of heart drugs have extended lives
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The massive number of drugs in the market are used to simply make massive amounts of money. What if we didn't have the sugar industry writing food regs? How many fewer heart drugs would be needed?

Statins, covid drugs, vioxx, insulin, oxy, etc.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
if I understand you correctly, you are saying pharmas are staying in business by developing drugs that are not really needed but are used to just bleed people? no one is forced to buy/take meds.
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You're right they don't but they're sold with advertising and captured medical industry. Pair that with no one telling them to get healthy and off the drugs and you've got customers for a lifetime. It's not just one thing
 
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